[CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs - killing Inovation

Wed Mar 15 15:40:03 EDT 2017

Amen!  It was even me who some 30 years ago moaned about computer logging &
keyin, unles I begun to use it as well as soon as I bought my first 286XT
PC machine :D

73  Mirko, S57AD

2017-03-15 18:36 GMT+01:00 Helmut Mueller <helmut at photo42.de>:

> Hi Guys.
>
> These "new" techniques are just the evolution of contest, deal with it!
>
> There are different contests out there who have different rules and smart
> people REALLY understand the rules and apply every effort that is allowed
> by the rules! This is called contesting art or INOVATION!
>
> You want to make all contests the same? Keep whining!
>
> Centurys ago someone came up with stacked antennas: I bet there were
> people moaning about this.
> Centurys ago someone came up with computer logging and keying: I bet there
> were people moaning about this.
> Centurys ago someone came up with SO2R: People were moaning about this.
> There are many more examples like this ... now we have SO2RUN or
> Interleave QSOs!
>
> I call this innovation! It is fantastic!
>
> This is from the PJ2T website:
>
> Dedicated to fun, international friendship, and advancement of the
> contesting art through superior operating technique and maximum application
> of technology
>
> Could not say it any better!
>
> 73
>
>   Helmut DF7ZS
>
> df7zs.de
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] Im Auftrag von
> W0MU Mike Fatchett
> Gesendet: Wednesday, 15 March, 2017 04:50 AM
> An: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Betreff: Re: [CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs on Two or More
> Frequencies in the Same Band
>
> If you agree that the rules need to be changed,  you need to make your
> ARRL Division Directors aware of your feelings.  I believe there is a
> meeting coming up soon and I believe that this item can be taken up at that
> time.
>
> Alternating CQ's on different bands is pretty common on RTTY.  I think
> that this practice should be allowed and monitored to make sure that
> stations are adhering to the one transmitted signal at a time for Single
> ops.
>
> I can only image the situation where we have a wall of stations at
> 14.150 going up and 14.347 going down for alternating cq's. Add in EU and
> the Caribbean and we have a big mess.
>
> W0MU
>
>
> On 3/14/2017 5:08 PM, Dick Green WC1M wrote:
> > I strongly support Frank's proposal, but the prohibition should apply to
> Single Ops, too, as it does in CQ WW.
> >
> > I realize that multi-op stations are more likely to be equipped to do
> alternating CQs on the same band (A and B radios with two ops on each band,
> multiple antennas per band with good isolation), but it certainly can be
> done in an SO2R station. If only one band is open enough to run, then the
> impact on the spectrum is the same.
> >
> > Is there a compelling reason to allow Single Ops to do alternating CQs
> on the same band?
> >
> > Actually, I think a case could be made for banning alternating CQs
> altogether. I'd regret that because I've sometimes used it as a Single Op
> to boost rate or fight boredom, but it definitely does use up more
> spectrum. If only two bands are open in a big contest, that spectrum is
> likely to be very limited. What if a rare mult running low power can't find
> a place to CQ because the alternating CQers are taking up more than their
> share of space? What about the impact on non-contesters?
> >
> > 73. Dick WC1M
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: donovanf at starpower.net [mailto:donovanf at starpower.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:01 PM
> > To: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> > Subject: [CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs on Two or More
> > Frequencies in the Same Band
> >
> >
> > I recommend that alternating CQs on two or more frequencies on the same
> band be prohibited immediately in all ARRL HF contests, exactly as it is
> now prohibited in all CQ WW DX Contests and for multi-operators in the IARU
> HF Championship.
> >
> > The reason for my recommendation is that the recent success of the
> > PJ4G team in CQing on alternate frequencies on the same band (both on
> > 20 and 15 meters) in the recent ARRL SSB DX Contest will inevitably be
> > applied -- very soon -- by other multi-operator competitors in future
> > ARRL contests. Unfortunately this will be to the very considerable
> > detriment of other HF spectrum users
> > -- both contesters and non-contesters -- because of the very limited
> available spectrum on every HF band below 28 MHz.
> >
> > The obvious course of action is to simply apply existing IARU HF
> Championship rule 4.3.2.1 to all multi-operator categories in all ARRL HF
> contests.
> >
> > 4.3.2.1. Alternating CQs on two or more frequencies on the same band is
> not permitted.
> >
> > http://www.arrl.org/iaru-hf-championship
> >
> > A CAC sub-committee is currently engaged in a Rules Consolidation
> Project to consolidate “The General Rules of all ARRL Contests”
> > “The General Rules for all ARRL contests Below 30 MHz” and individual
> contest rules into a single rule set for each of the ARRL HF Contests.
> >
> > In addition to the consolidation of the rules structure, the ARRL
> Programs and Services Committee (PSC) asked the team to develop any
> accompanying commentary they choose as to areas where the perceive that the
> rules might benefit from revision and, where appropriate, to suggest
> revised language.
> >
> > http://www.arrl.org/files/file/About%20ARRL/Committee%20Reports/2016/J
> > uly/Doc_24_0716.pdf
> >
> > While the CAC's role is solely to respond to projects and issues
> assigned by the ARRL Programs and Services Committee; the CAC chairman can
> recommend future CAC projects and issues to the PSC.
> >
> > 73
> > Frank
> > W3LPL
> >
> >
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Mirko S57AD