[CQ-Contest] Check In SS
W0MU Mike Fatchett
w0mu at w0mu.com
Thu Nov 9 11:11:54 EST 2017
I think it bothers more people that people are using databases that they
did not create to attempt to give them an advantage in the contest than
it does people changing their check. The agenda is penalizing people
that use databases instead of copying what was sent.
John you can send whatever prec you want. I hope it matches the log you
are sending in. If you are not sending in a log then it doesn't matter
at all. People have inadvertently changed their prec in the middle of a
contest by using packet by mistake or forgot to turn the amp off etc.
You can break the speed limit in most places by up to 5 mph. This is not
much different.
I wish you well running those pileups on 60m.
W0MU
On 11/9/2017 9:00 AM, John Geiger wrote:
> In terms of the check, yes, it can be hard at times to remember what
> year it was or to know which operators year to use, but does it bother
> anyone else when some people on this reflector mention that they are
> going to purposely violate this rule for one agenda or another? If it
> is stated in the rules what the check is supposed to be, stations
> should follow it to the best of their memory (of year first
> licensed). Yes, the ARRL might not enforce it, but still, it is in
> the rules. I guess I could send whatever PREC I want also since it
> has no bearing on others scores. I am sure one of the letters of A,
> B, U, M, Q and S are the easiest to copy, so I could just pick that
> one and send it.
>
> Along a related lines, I have seen the rules for some state QSO
> parties where they mention you can use all HF bands except the WARC
> bands. That allows me to run their contest on 60 meter! 60 meters is
> not a WARC band. I didn't do it, but their rules allowed for it
>
> 73 John AF5CC
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:05 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com
> <mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com>> wrote:
>
> Not to mention the cases of multi ops, people that can't remember
> exactly etc.
>
> People using whatever they want for a check has zero impact on the
> contest.
>
> As the competitor copy what is sent and log it and work the next guy.
>
> The rules do not specify that all competitors should start with
> QSO #1. Starting with another number to attempt to dissuade
> competition probably breaks some other type of sportsmanship
> rule. I have heard of people doing this. I have no proof that it
> was ever done. Do your best and let the chips fall where they
> may. Even if someone had 100 more contacts than you did, you have
> no clue how much time they have in or if they even intend to
> finish the contest, heck who knows, maybe the amp dies or the
> power goes out for that station.
>
> I would hope that everyone would start with Qso #1.
>
> W0MU
>
>
> On 11/9/2017 6:41 AM, Zack Widup wrote:
>
> How would you know, anyway? You could look back through my
> records and
> maybe find that I've had the W9SZ call since 1977. But you
> wouldn't be
> able to easily find the call I had before that. Or when I was
> first
> licensed. Would you want to spend the time to do this to
> everyone you
> worked to find out if someone was breaking a rule by giving a
> different year? I have better things to do with my time.
>
> And the check number does not affect my score or anyone else's
> - that
> is, if I gave a wrong section, it would possibly affect someone's
> score if they only worked me in the section I was reporting.
> The check
> is just a number to copy.
>
> I suppose this has been asked, too, but do you have to start
> with the
> number 1 on the contest? I know it says consecutive serial
> numbers,
> but what if you started with 200 or 500?
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:02 PM, Kelly Taylor <ve4xt at mymts.net
> <mailto:ve4xt at mymts.net>> wrote:
>
> Mike’s right. FFS, the League, which is the FINAL arbiter
> of all things ruleswise, has said it doesn’t matter, as
> long as people copy what you send..
>
> Ergo, it DOESN’T MATTER. Copy what is sent, move on to the
> next Q. Save your mental energy for things that really matter.
>
> 73, kelly, ve4xt
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2017, at 7:15 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett
> <w0mu at w0mu.com <mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com>> wrote:
>
> This discussion has been going on now for what as long
> at the CQ-Contest reflector has been around and yet
> most people still send their check right.
>
> Just copy what is sent and move on. The data sent and
> received has no meaning. It is an arbitrary part of
> the exchange. Why not make it your grid square. Then
> it can't change and would go along well with the new
> ARRL operating event for next year...............Grid
> squares worked!
>
> W0MU
>
>
> On 11/8/2017 5:17 PM, Mike/W5JR wrote:
>
> Sounds like everyone is going to be sending "55"
> next year.
>
> tnx
> Mike / W5JR
> Alpharetta GA
>
> sent via my HP95LX
>
> On Nov 8, 2017, at 2:37 PM, John Geiger
> <af5cc2 at gmail.com <mailto:af5cc2 at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> What is the point of the ARRL stating in the
> rules that the check is the
> year first licensed, if they really don't care
> what you send?
>
> 73 John AF5CC
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:51 AM, W0MU Mike
> Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com
> <mailto:w0mu at w0mu.com>> wrote:
>
> I think most people try to use their
> actual year licensed.
>
> That would be a good question to ask on
> the entry form. What year were
> you licensed. It think we all know that
> new hams are hard to come by and
> many are not interested in contesting.
>
> W0MU
>
>
> On 11/7/2017 1:54 PM, ShelbyK4WW wrote:
>
> Why are so many putting so much
> emphasis on the CK, as anything more than
> a
> "randomly chosen two digit number that
> is consistently used throughout the
> contest", having absolutely no
> relation to anything? ARRL has
> indicated it
> will not enforce the CK as being "The
> last 2 digits of the year of first
> license for either the operator or the
> station", and many have indicated
> that they change their CK, from year
> to year? It certainly has little, if
> any, bearing on when they were licensed?
> As far as CW speed is concerned, when
> I call another station, I feel
> obligated to try and match their
> speed. Sometimes this requires me to
> listen to several contacts, before
> calling. I expect, and usually receive,
> the same consideration, when I'm
> called? I fail to see any logic to
> calling
> at a much higher speed, then having to
> endure several repeats?
>
> In it to win it? Not a chance
> In it to have fun? Most definitely
>
> 73, Shelby - K4WW
> As I don't have an iPad nor iPhone,
> sent from my PC
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