[CQ-Contest] Portable in Canada

[Michael Clarson]

The treaty does not describe how we are to sign in the border disputed
territories between US and Canada. --Mike, WV2ZOW

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 12:32 AM, Kevin Schmidt <w9cf at arrl.net> wrote:
> I am not sure why people get hung up on the order of home call sign
> and prefix, which as Ron says is required by the treaty, but then don't
> bother to follow the rest of what the treaty requires. Here is a link
>
> <http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/vwapj/1952-7E.PDF/$FILE/1952-7E.PDF>
>
> The treaty also requires that for phone you are to replace the / with
> the appropriate word where your choices are "fixed", "portable" or
> "mobile,"  and that "Each amateur station shall indicate at least once
> during each contact with another station its geographical location as
> nearly as possible by city and state or city and province."
>
> Strict compliance with the treaty requires sending the city and province
> or city and state for every QSO. It seems to me that leaving out the city
> and province is a more important violation than the technical violation
> of putting the prefix on the opposite end of the callsign, since both the
> USA and Canada accept this structure for other reciprocal privileges.
> For that matter, since neither government requires the city, and state
> or province to be transmitted for every contact for other reciprocal
> operations, such as CEPT, it seems unlikely that any of this would be
> enforced by either of the governments of our countries, which have been
> friends for so long.  This long term friendship is, of course, why we
> had this treaty so many decades ago.
>
> 73 Kevin w9cf
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 02:02:55PM -0400, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
>> Except, Charles, the 1953 reciprocal treaty with Canada specifies that US
>> amateurs operating Canada & Canadian amateurs operating in the US MUST sign
>> call/portable designator.
>>
>> That has nothing to do with what the ARRL says.  That's what the treaty
>> says.
>>
>> And that IS old practice, since back in the day, that is the way most if not
>> all stations operating portable in another jurisdiction signed.  Signing
>> prefix/call as is now accepted is a relatively modern practice.
>>
>> I'm not sure where the comment about the DXCC or LotW records come from.  As
>> far as I know, DXCC goes by the portable designator regardless of whether
>> it's before or after the call.  Logbook of the World accepts the log as
>> inputted by the user.  So if I were to, say, upload HS/K4VUD, and you were
>> to upload as K4VUD/HS, I would not expect them to automatically match.
>>
>> 73, ron w3wn
>>
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