[CQ-Contest] Assisted

[Mark Bailey]

Hi Steve:

A boy and his radio category may be a good idea "tribander/wires anyone), but I still think we need to retain single operator categories which are played on the radio and without the internet and AI programs/robots. 

73,

Mark, KD4D

On August 17, 2018 1:58:11 PM EDT, Stephen Bloom <sbloom at acsalaska.net> wrote:
>I think we're going to go round and round on this and overthink it to
>death.  .  I know that assisted vs. unassisted is a much bigger issue
>in NA than it is in EU.  I'm not sure that is a good thing though. 
>*NOT* having a "boy and his radio" category in some of the EU and OC
>contests probably discourages new and "casual" contesters from putting
>in their best efforts.  Avoiding having a category because some will
>cheat is self defeating, especially when we are getting better at
>catching cheaters.  Having said that :)  what I sense is that folks
>want a "Boy and his radio" category.  Given that, and .. just ignoring
>cheating, because, no matter what, some people will ..here is what I
>think would be the simplest way to resolve some of this ...and yes,
>each contest manager would have to implement it in a way that made
>sense for that contestA distinct 
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>Why not just create a "Boy and His Radio" category.  One operator, one
>radio, no use of assistance (and look, I know the devil is in the
>details, but really, assistance means acquiring data about who is on
>and on what frequency, using anything other than ones ears on that
>single radio.)  The one open question would be, whether to allow SO2R
>as part of this.  I'm 50-50 on this because, while SO2R is usually
>helpful, it varies widely by contest and you *CAN* win without it. 
>It's also about to get a lot messier defining what is and isn't SOxR
>with the newest Flex radios being able to do it in one box, and no
>doubt other SDRs coming along with same.  Still though, the "average
>guy" in this hobby has 1 radio, maybe a tribander and some wires, and
>often runs 100W.  Something specifically attractive to them seems like
>a cool idea to me and who does it hurt?
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>73
>Steve KL7SB
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
>Of John
>Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 6:41 AM
>To: Yuri <ve3dz at rigexpert.net>
>Cc: Trent Sampson <vk4ts at outlook.com>; CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Assisted
>
>I don’t think it really matters what the real meaning of assisted and
>un-assisted is in the true meaning of the words. That has and no doubt 
>will be debated ad infinitum.
>In the terms of contesting it is whatever the contest sponsors decide
>it is. They are the rules we play with. And as to the OP point about
>cheating. No amount of defining terms will stop cheating.
>John
>MM0JOM
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>Sent from my iPad
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>> On 17 Aug 2018, at 14:33, Yuri <ve3dz at rigexpert.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I think the definition of the category should be really based only on
>a number of operators and number of transmitted signals at a time. 
>> Single OP or Multi Op (different numbers of TX's). That's it.
>> If a single Op can do what a bunch of people together can't - why
>should he be handicapped?
>> If he can utilize all of the technology and all by himself (without
>physical help of other people) - why should we call him assisted? Only
>because a bunch of "ordinary" people can't do the same?
>> 
>> Of someone is using OCF dipole instead of monoband Yagi, or if
>someone doesn't have Internet in the shack - that's his own choice.
>Everyone else doesn't have to "downgrade" because of that.
>> 
>> Yuri VE3DZ
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
>Of Trent Sampson
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 5:47 PM
>> To: CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Assisted
>> 
>> Assisted is really not assisted - 2BSIQ Two Band Synchronised
>interleaved QSOs have left the assisted operator in its dust... 
>> It is really time to reconsider whether Assisted is truly an
>advantage anymore and deserving of its own category...
>> Assisted by my definition is the sourcing of callsign, band and
>frequency information from any source other than your radio system. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com> On Behalf Of
>Stanley Zawrotny
>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2018 1:06 AM
>> To: CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Assisted
>> 
>> Ken,
>> 
>> Is remembering a well-known callsign assisted?
>> 
>> Stan, K4SBZ
>> 
>> "Real radio bounces off the sky."
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