[CQ-Contest] Contest Recording

Sat Feb 3 11:50:22 EST 2018

Actually I do believe that a vast majority of people are happy keeping 
people away from contesting.  They like things the way they are and 
cannot handle change.  I deal with it on a daily basis in another ham 
radio group.  There are those that are set in stone that they did 
something one way, by go every other person must do the same, and we 
continue to lose interest everyday and the group gets older and older 
and they essentially want nothing to do with changing to bring in new 
younger people.

Sorry for the delayed response I was away on business.

I am all for trying to get the cheaters with the lease amount of 
intrusion possible.  The problem is that the most prolific forms of 
cheating are swept under the rug.

W0MU

On 1/29/2018 6:35 AM, Kelly Taylor wrote:
> On balance, I find audio recording to be an inexact, ineffective and largely bureaucratic solution in search of a problem. It is an enforcement tool with so many easy workarounds, that misses arguably more-prevalent forms of cheating and can render moot otherwise valid operations.
>
> If you think cheating is a massive problem more important than making contesting attractive to all, I don’t know how to help you. And no, not everyone lives in mortal fear of being beat by a cheater. But even if you do, wouldn’t you want the enforcement to be effective?
>
> Most of these whinefests about cheating only say one thing to prospective newbies: stick to videogaming.
>
> Is that what we want? Throw the baby out with the bathwater?
>
> 73, kelly, ve4xt
>
>
>> On Jan 28, 2018, at 11:50 PM, Maarten van R <pd2r.maarten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> With the current SDR’s like the Flex radio’s, the “point & click” tuning
>> probably doesn’t sound any different then clicking spots on the cluster.
>>
>> 73, Maarten PD2R
>>
>>
>> Op ma 29 jan. 2018 om 04:21 schreef Ria Jairam <rjairam at gmail.com>
>>
>>> I think the value of recordings is more to determine whether
>>> unassisted ops are using unclaimed assistance. If someone is tuning
>>> they would sound differently than if they were using spots and jumping
>>> around. It's hard to detect this with an SDR recording.
>>>
>>> Ria
>>> N2RJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 2:22 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:
>>>> What exactly would a recording of what you received proved?  That they
>>> moved
>>>> into your spot?  It does not prove anything else.  I suspect you are
>>> trying
>>>> to say they were listening on an SDR which may or may not be true.  How
>>>> could you prove it.    Later it turns out that maybe it was conditions?
>>>> This is where things get really dicey.
>>>>
>>>> Taking over someones spot is part of the game like it or not.  I watched
>>>> numerous time where East coast stations continued to creep in on me from
>>>> both sides.  Not much I can do.
>>>>
>>>> W0MU
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/28/2018 9:27 AM, Tom Haavisto wrote:
>>>>> I see there is a (continuing) controversy about contest recording. My
>>>>> understanding is the for the CQWW at least, the contest is recorded from
>>>>> several locations around the world by SDR receivers and then shipped to
>>>>> the
>>>>> contest committee.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was very much in the camp of “Well – if the contest committee wants to
>>>>> hear what happened on the air, they have the time, date and frequency,
>>> as
>>>>> well as a recording if they want to hear what happened."  Until last
>>> night
>>>>> in the CQ 160 contest, and no, I did not record it.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few times, someone got pretty close to me, and in one case, started
>>>>> CQing
>>>>> right on top of me. Fair disclosure – I run a KW into a full size
>>>>> vertical,
>>>>> and these guys were LOUD.  A few times, I even checked the amp and the
>>>>> wattmeter to make sure things were working, and I was starting to
>>>>> seriously
>>>>> wonder about a few folks...  Once, twice... OK, something odd is going
>>>>> on...   A few times when I reverted to S&P, I called a few loud guys,
>>> and
>>>>> it took them several tries for them to pull out my call.  This was not
>>>>> normal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As we all know, 160 is an interesting band and still pulls up a few
>>>>> surprises now and then.  This being the latest example.  An SDR would
>>> not
>>>>> have captured what I experienced - the only way to capture this would
>>> be a
>>>>> personal recording.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just food for thought.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom - VE3CX
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest