[CQ-Contest] Contest Recording

[Kelly Taylor]

On balance, I find audio recording to be an inexact, ineffective and largely bureaucratic solution in search of a problem. It is an enforcement tool with so many easy workarounds, that misses arguably more-prevalent forms of cheating and can render moot otherwise valid operations. 

If you think cheating is a massive problem more important than making contesting attractive to all, I don’t know how to help you. And no, not everyone lives in mortal fear of being beat by a cheater. But even if you do, wouldn’t you want the enforcement to be effective?

Most of these whinefests about cheating only say one thing to prospective newbies: stick to videogaming.

Is that what we want? Throw the baby out with the bathwater?

73, kelly, ve4xt 


> On Jan 28, 2018, at 11:50 PM, Maarten van R <pd2r.maarten at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> With the current SDR’s like the Flex radio’s, the “point & click” tuning
> probably doesn’t sound any different then clicking spots on the cluster.
> 
> 73, Maarten PD2R
> 
> 
> Op ma 29 jan. 2018 om 04:21 schreef Ria Jairam <rjairam at gmail.com>
> 
>> I think the value of recordings is more to determine whether
>> unassisted ops are using unclaimed assistance. If someone is tuning
>> they would sound differently than if they were using spots and jumping
>> around. It's hard to detect this with an SDR recording.
>> 
>> Ria
>> N2RJ
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 2:22 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:
>>> What exactly would a recording of what you received proved?  That they
>> moved
>>> into your spot?  It does not prove anything else.  I suspect you are
>> trying
>>> to say they were listening on an SDR which may or may not be true.  How
>>> could you prove it.    Later it turns out that maybe it was conditions?
>>> This is where things get really dicey.
>>> 
>>> Taking over someones spot is part of the game like it or not.  I watched
>>> numerous time where East coast stations continued to creep in on me from
>>> both sides.  Not much I can do.
>>> 
>>> W0MU
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/28/2018 9:27 AM, Tom Haavisto wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I see there is a (continuing) controversy about contest recording. My
>>>> understanding is the for the CQWW at least, the contest is recorded from
>>>> several locations around the world by SDR receivers and then shipped to
>>>> the
>>>> contest committee.
>>>> 
>>>> I was very much in the camp of “Well – if the contest committee wants to
>>>> hear what happened on the air, they have the time, date and frequency,
>> as
>>>> well as a recording if they want to hear what happened."  Until last
>> night
>>>> in the CQ 160 contest, and no, I did not record it.
>>>> 
>>>> A few times, someone got pretty close to me, and in one case, started
>>>> CQing
>>>> right on top of me. Fair disclosure – I run a KW into a full size
>>>> vertical,
>>>> and these guys were LOUD.  A few times, I even checked the amp and the
>>>> wattmeter to make sure things were working, and I was starting to
>>>> seriously
>>>> wonder about a few folks...  Once, twice... OK, something odd is going
>>>> on...   A few times when I reverted to S&P, I called a few loud guys,
>> and
>>>> it took them several tries for them to pull out my call.  This was not
>>>> normal.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As we all know, 160 is an interesting band and still pulls up a few
>>>> surprises now and then.  This being the latest example.  An SDR would
>> not
>>>> have captured what I experienced - the only way to capture this would
>> be a
>>>> personal recording.
>>>> 
>>>> Just food for thought.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tom - VE3CX
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