[CQ-Contest] WRTC which contests qualify

Sun Jul 8 22:34:59 EDT 2018

Biggest domestic contest is SS.  It would give the little guys a chance to qualify...isn't that what we're trying to do?  Give everyone a fair chance.

Let's face it, big antennas/station are not as much of an advantage in domestic contests.  Name one other domestic contest that has as much participation...none.  Not much about operating assisted in CQWW or ARRLDX is like  the WRTC competition, but those categories count toward qualification.  No point and click in WRTC.

I don't have a horse in the race since I'm in KH6...2500 miles away.

Bill KH7XS/K4XS

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From: Chris Hurlbut <chriskl9a at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC which contests qualify

Simply commenting on the opinion of SS being a WRTC qualifier, I have todisagree.Not much about SS translates to WRTC, other than maybe accuracy beingimportant.Of course, NAQP is a perfect qualification contest. :)-Chris KL9AOn Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 5:04 PM Bill via CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>wrote:> Geographical advantage for ALL of the east coast?  Uh, no.  I ran a 4 el> wire quad at a height of 120-130 ft on 80 meters in central FL and> regularly got beat out to EU by W1/W2 stations running inverted vees at 80> or 90 ft.  There is a difference of around 1300-1400 miles from northern ME> to southern FL and no station in FL can compete with a NE station in DX> contests.  Now for domestic contests that's a different story.  That's why> putting SS and maybe NAQP in the mix for qualifying is a fair way to go.>>> My choice for qualifying events for US:>>> ARRL DX> CQWW> WPX> SS> NAQP>>> It is possible to make a top three or four with a modest station in NAQP> and SS if you are a good op.  K6LL and others have done it.>>> By the way, if you have a modest station or no station, many good stations> are available if you ask.  The worst that will happen is the owner will say> no.  Also, consider using a club station.  W4LT has used the Tampa Radio> Club station and got first place US in the low power assisted last year.>>> Yeah, it's easier if you have a big station at your QTH, but you can still> qualify if you don't.  Ask N2NL.>>> Bill KH7XS/K4XS>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----> From: Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com>> To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>> Sent: Sun, Jul 8, 2018 9:45 pm> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Qualifying>>> Oh C'Mon!!  An east coast station complaining about their propagation ?> You got to be kidding right? You really don't realize how well you have it> compared to the rest of the country. Only a handful of stations outside the> East Coast ever make the top ten box in any category of a DX contest. Come> down and operate where I live and you will appreciate what you have. I> could probably put up a bunch of big towers and beams and K1AR would still> beat me with his wires !! :) Jeff KU8E On 7/8/2018 11:52 AM,> rjairam at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Robert, > > In the USA I have operated from> Florida, Arkansas and Texas and remotely > from California. > > The> difference between NJ and Maine, NH or Vermont can be quite > significant.> > > Yes up here it is better than the west coast but in contesting to work> > Europe the more North Easterly you are, the better because the band stays> > open longer. > > 73 > Ria, N2RJ > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:09 AM robert> f beaudoin <wa1fcn at charter.net> wrote: > >> GM Ria >> >>>  Maybe you have never operated from outside the NorthEast >> USA, but I> find it >> >> hard to sympathize with your comment about you as a W2> station >> having a geographic >> >> disadvantage against W1 land. Your QTH> in N. J. what is that >> 100 miles from W1 land ? >> >> I guess all things> are relative but I sure wish I had your >> disadvantage. >> >> 73 and GM> from from Alabama WA1FCN >> >> >> On 7/7/2018 8:49 PM, rjairam at gmail.com> wrote: >>> I’m looking at my case. Under the current criteria I have not a> shot in >>> hell. Mostly because I’m competing with W1 who has an obvious> geographic >>> advantage. When it was aligned with US Call districts it was> a bit >> easier, >>> but I didn’t really try to qualify then. >>> >>> I> guess the dream will have to wait, or I could spend money and build a >>>> station in the Caribbean and operate, remotely even. >>> >>> I don’t think> it will be possible to be completely fair but qualification >>> rules> should prioritize skill first if this is going to be a competition >> of> >>> who is the best operator. There are of course some damned good> operators >> in >>> there but I think some who may not have access to a> super duper station >> get >>> left out. >>> >>> 73 >>> Ria >>> N2RJ >>> On> Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:21 PM Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> 6. Qualification Score Calculation >>>> >>>> The qualification score is the> sum of up to 12 Event Scores. The maximum >>>> possible qualification score> is 12.000 for DL, 11.900 for the rest of >is very different, so is the east> coast>>> the world.>>>>>>>>    1. A maximum of 4 Event Scores may be from> multi-ops (MS/M2/MM).>>>>    2. A maximum of 4 Event Scores can be from> outside an applicant’s home>>>>       Selection Area (i.e.,> DXpeditions).>>>>  3. A maximum of 2 operators may submit scores for a> single contest>> from>>>>  a MS, 3 from a M2, and 4 from a MM.>>>>> 4. If an operator’s callsign appears with more than one entry in a>>>>>  single qualifying event (e.g., from operating at more than one>>>>>  station), they may not use any scores from that contest.>>>>    5. In the> unlikely case of a tie score for the final qualifying spot>> in>>>>       a> Selection Area, the applicants will be asked for additional>> scores>>>>>    beyond those submitted on the application until the tie is> broken.>>>>>>>> As long as you operate a station in your own qualification> area as a SO>>>> it counts. That would ether be from home OR as a guest> operator. That's>>>> how you could qualify without having a station at> home.>>>>>>>> Jeff>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2018 05:38 PM, Timothy Coker via> CQ-Contest wrote:>>>>> What if you had no home station, let alone a> tribander with wires,>> could>>>> you qualify then?>>>>> Tim /> N6WIN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On> Saturday, July 7, 2018, 14:16, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com>>>> wrote:>>>>> Yes, this was the first time one could qualify using low> power.>>>>> Notwithstanding you have to have big antenna farm because even> in Low>>>>> power category there were a lot of competitors. And yes, some> of those>>>>> who have big stations did bother with doing low power.> Tribander and>>>>> wires from the city lot is not enough to qualify for> WRTC regardless of>>>>> power.>>>>>>>>>> 73, Igor UA9CDC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 07.07.2018 22:03, Jeff Clarke пишет:>>>>>> It's possible to qualify by> doing low power. Your score would be>>>>>> compared to others that are> doing low power and not the high power>>>>>> scores. If you do that you> won't have to compete again the "big gun">>>>>> stations in your region.> Plus you aren't getting any reduction in>>>>>> score ( getting the same> number of points same as HP SO guys) like>>>>>> someone who did Multi-Ops.> I really doubt someone who has a big>>>>>> station would want to bother> with doing low power.>>>>>>>>>>>> If I'm not mistaken Julio, AD4Z, who is> one of the team leaders in our>>>>>> region (NA-002) did this and> qualified.>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff KU8E>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2018 11:11 PM,> Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:>>>>>>> I think what’s most interesting> is the guys I know who typically win>>>>>>> don’t spend a lot of time> complaining... they spend a lot of time>>>>>>> working at what makes them> winners.>>>>>>> I can also think of some people who won/win that don’t have> deep>>>>>>> pockets at all.>>>>>>> Some of the best operators don’t> actually have big stations. Not>>>>>>> taking away from the big station> owners at all, as some of them are>>>>>>> great operators themselves.> However, many are willing to let the>>>>>>> latest up and coming great> operators take their station seats to show>>>>>>> what can be done.>>>>>>>> It makes sense to me because it takes a lot of time and effort to>>>>>>>> either build or work to pay for others to build something expensive.>>>>>>>> That same time is thus not spent on honing operating skills.>>>>>>> Very> similar to how many athletes aren’t rich until after (and not>>>>>>> for> all) they have worked so very hard to win and are given>> noteriety.>>>>>>>> If a guy wants to remote or travel into my area and he beats me, so>>>>>>>> be it... time for me to get better. Or maybe I don’t want to put in>>>>>>>> the same operating skills effort that he did and thus I’ll just hope>>>>>>>> he doesn’t return.>>>>>>> Competition is great... it shows how hard we are> willing to work, or>>>>>>> not.>>>>>>> Tim / N6WIN.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from> Yahoo Mail for iPhone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 6, 2018, 14:45,> Jim via CQ-Contest>>>>>>> <cq-contest at contesting.com>> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a somewhat different perspective, being an Ohio> snowbird who>>>>>>> spends half the year in Florida. As a practical matter> I could not>>>>>>> qualify without a lot of travel or remote operating from> W8. And I’m>>>>>>> not that stupid to head north from Florida in February> :-)>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had my shot at WRTC in 2014 (as N1U with partner K9NW),> but I>>>>>>> didn’t compete to qualify for 2018, and don’t see me trying> to>>>>>>> qualify for future WRTCs, so don’t take these comments as being> self>>>>>>> serving.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If a W6 resident wants to operate from> W1, let him do so, comparing>>>>>>> his scores with other W1 entrants. And> conversely, if a guy living in>>>>>>> W1 is crazy enough to want to operate> CQWW from W6, thinking the>>>>>>> qualifying competition there might be> less, why stop him? Again,>>>>>>> compare his W6 score with other W6> scores, and let the WRTC>>>>>>> qualifying points go into his home W1> account.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So long as a person is a legitimate resident of his> qualifying area,>>>>>>> why stop him from operating from anywhere in the> world, whether in>>>>>>> person or remotely? I don’t have a problem to> allow someone like>>>>>>> LZ4AX to qualify from W3, but I would not let> people become>>>>>>> “Africans” solely by virtue of a bunch of operating> from zone 33.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73  -  Jim    K8MR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> p.s.> Keep in mind the motto of the Florida Contest Group: Sooner or>>>>>>>> later, you’ll be one of us!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 6,> 2018, at 4:16 PM, WW3S <ww3s at zoominternet.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A> west coast ham, operating a remote station with antennas in Maine,>>>>>>>>> should be competing as if he/she were physically in Maine.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 11:56 PM, David> Siddall <hhamwv at gmail.com>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>> A W6 ham resident in> California that operates a station on the east>>>>>>>>> coast,>>>>>>>>>> whether by physical or remote means, could not qualify to be a> team>>>>>>>>> leader>>>>>>>>> for the WRTC2018.  Rule 7.5 - 7.7, subject to> Rule 6.2.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73, Dave K3ZJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On> Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Carol Richards <n2mm at comcast.net>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I> agree....where you operate _from_ should determine what region>>> you>>>>>>>>>> compete in. A W6 in California operating a remote station on> the>>>>>>>>>> East coast>>>>>>>>>> should not be grouped with other East> coast stations to qualify>>>>>>>>>> for WRTC.>>>>>>>>>> This remote> category is getting out of hand.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carol>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list>>>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>>>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing> list>>>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>>>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing> list>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing> list>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>>> -->>>> *Jeff> Clarke*>>>> Information Technology Professional>>>> Ellerslie,> Georgia>>>>>>>> KU8E.com <http://www.ku8e.com/>>>>>>>>> My LinkedIn> Profile <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-clarke-ga>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>> CQ-Contest mailing> list>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>> CQ-Contest mailing> list>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>> _______________________________________________>> CQ-Contest mailing list>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>>> _______________________________________________> CQ-Contest mailing list>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest-- *Jeff> Clarke*Information Technology ProfessionalEllerslie, GeorgiaKU8E.com <> http://www.ku8e.com/>My LinkedIn Profile <> https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-clarke-ga>_______________________________________________CQ-Contest> mailing listCQ-Contest at contesting.comhttp://> lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest> _______________________________________________> CQ-Contest mailing list> CQ-Contest at contesting.com> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>_______________________________________________CQ-Contest mailing listCQ-Contest at contesting.comhttp://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest