[CQ-Contest] WRTC which contests qualify

Sun Jul 8 20:19:02 EDT 2018

Simply commenting on the opinion of SS being a WRTC qualifier, I have to
disagree.

Not much about SS translates to WRTC, other than maybe accuracy being
important.

Of course, NAQP is a perfect qualification contest. :)

-Chris KL9A

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018, 5:04 PM Bill via CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
wrote:

> Geographical advantage for ALL of the east coast?  Uh, no.  I ran a 4 el
> wire quad at a height of 120-130 ft on 80 meters in central FL and
> regularly got beat out to EU by W1/W2 stations running inverted vees at 80
> or 90 ft.  There is a difference of around 1300-1400 miles from northern ME
> to southern FL and no station in FL can compete with a NE station in DX
> contests.  Now for domestic contests that's a different story.  That's why
> putting SS and maybe NAQP in the mix for qualifying is a fair way to go.
>
>
> My choice for qualifying events for US:
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> ARRL DX
> CQWW
> WPX
> SS
> NAQP
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> It is possible to make a top three or four with a modest station in NAQP
> and SS if you are a good op.  K6LL and others have done it.
>
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> By the way, if you have a modest station or no station, many good stations
> are available if you ask.  The worst that will happen is the owner will say
> no.  Also, consider using a club station.  W4LT has used the Tampa Radio
> Club station and got first place US in the low power assisted last year.
>
>
> Yeah, it's easier if you have a big station at your QTH, but you can still
> qualify if you don't.  Ask N2NL.
>
>
> Bill KH7XS/K4XS
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com>
> To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jul 8, 2018 9:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Qualifying
>
>
> Oh C'Mon!!  An east coast station complaining about their propagation ?
> You got to be kidding right? You really don't realize how well you have it
> compared to the rest of the country. Only a handful of stations outside the
> East Coast ever make the top ten box in any category of a DX contest. Come
> down and operate where I live and you will appreciate what you have. I
> could probably put up a bunch of big towers and beams and K1AR would still
> beat me with his wires !! :) Jeff KU8E On 7/8/2018 11:52 AM,
> rjairam at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Robert, > > In the USA I have operated from
> Florida, Arkansas and Texas and remotely > from California. > > The
> difference between NJ and Maine, NH or Vermont can be quite > significant.
> > > Yes up here it is better than the west coast but in contesting to work
> > Europe the more North Easterly you are, the better because the band stays
> > open longer. > > 73 > Ria, N2RJ > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:09 AM robert
> f beaudoin <wa1fcn at charter.net> wrote: > >> GM Ria >> >>
>  Maybe you have never operated from outside the NorthEast >> USA, but I
> find it >> >> hard to sympathize with your comment about you as a W2
> station >> having a geographic >> >> disadvantage against W1 land. Your QTH
> in N. J. what is that >> 100 miles from W1 land ? >> >> I guess all things
> are relative but I sure wish I had your >> disadvantage. >> >> 73 and GM
> from from Alabama WA1FCN >> >> >> On 7/7/2018 8:49 PM, rjairam at gmail.com
> wrote: >>> I’m looking at my case. Under the current criteria I have not a
> shot in >>> hell. Mostly because I’m competing with W1 who has an obvious
> geographic >>> advantage. When it was aligned with US Call districts it was
> a bit >> easier, >>> but I didn’t really try to qualify then. >>> >>> I
> guess the dream will have to wait, or I could spend money and build a >>>
> station in the Caribbean and operate, remotely even. >>> >>> I don’t think
> it will be possible to be completely fair but qualification >>> rules
> should prioritize skill first if this is going to be a competition >> of
> >>> who is the best operator. There are of course some damned good
> operators >> in >>> there but I think some who may not have access to a
> super duper station >> get >>> left out. >>> >>> 73 >>> Ria >>> N2RJ >>> On
> Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:21 PM Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com> wrote: >>> >>>>
> 6. Qualification Score Calculation >>>> >>>> The qualification score is the
> sum of up to 12 Event Scores. The maximum >>>> possible qualification score
> is 12.000 for DL, 11.900 for the rest of >is very different, so is the east
> coast>>> the world.>>>>>>>>    1. A maximum of 4 Event Scores may be from
> multi-ops (MS/M2/MM).>>>>    2. A maximum of 4 Event Scores can be from
> outside an applicant’s home>>>>       Selection Area (i.e.,
> DXpeditions).>>>>    3. A maximum of 2 operators may submit scores for a
> single contest>> from>>>>       a MS, 3 from a M2, and 4 from a MM.>>>>
> 4. If an operator’s callsign appears with more than one entry in a>>>>
>  single qualifying event (e.g., from operating at more than one>>>>
>  station), they may not use any scores from that contest.>>>>    5. In the
> unlikely case of a tie score for the final qualifying spot>> in>>>>       a
> Selection Area, the applicants will be asked for additional>> scores>>>>
>    beyond those submitted on the application until the tie is
> broken.>>>>>>>> As long as you operate a station in your own qualification
> area as a SO>>>> it counts. That would ether be from home OR as a guest
> operator. That's>>>> how you could qualify without having a station at
> home.>>>>>>>> Jeff>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2018 05:38 PM, Timothy Coker via
> CQ-Contest wrote:>>>>> What if you had no home station, let alone a
> tribander with wires,>> could>>>> you qualify then?>>>>> Tim /
> N6WIN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
> Saturday, July 7, 2018, 14:16, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com>>>
> wrote:>>>>> Yes, this was the first time one could qualify using low
> power.>>>>> Notwithstanding you have to have big antenna farm because even
> in Low>>>>> power category there were a lot of competitors. And yes, some
> of those>>>>> who have big stations did bother with doing low power.
> Tribander and>>>>> wires from the city lot is not enough to qualify for
> WRTC regardless of>>>>> power.>>>>>>>>>> 73, Igor UA9CDC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 07.07.2018 22:03, Jeff Clarke пишет:>>>>>> It's possible to qualify by
> doing low power. Your score would be>>>>>> compared to others that are
> doing low power and not the high power>>>>>> scores. If you do that you
> won't have to compete again the "big gun">>>>>> stations in your region.
> Plus you aren't getting any reduction in>>>>>> score ( getting the same
> number of points same as HP SO guys) like>>>>>> someone who did Multi-Ops.
> I really doubt someone who has a big>>>>>> station would want to bother
> with doing low power.>>>>>>>>>>>> If I'm not mistaken Julio, AD4Z, who is
> one of the team leaders in our>>>>>> region (NA-002) did this and
> qualified.>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff KU8E>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2018 11:11 PM,
> Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:>>>>>>> I think what’s most interesting
> is the guys I know who typically win>>>>>>> don’t spend a lot of time
> complaining... they spend a lot of time>>>>>>> working at what makes them
> winners.>>>>>>> I can also think of some people who won/win that don’t have
> deep>>>>>>> pockets at all.>>>>>>> Some of the best operators don’t
> actually have big stations. Not>>>>>>> taking away from the big station
> owners at all, as some of them are>>>>>>> great operators themselves.
> However, many are willing to let the>>>>>>> latest up and coming great
> operators take their station seats to show>>>>>>> what can be done.>>>>>>>
> It makes sense to me because it takes a lot of time and effort to>>>>>>>
> either build or work to pay for others to build something expensive.>>>>>>>
> That same time is thus not spent on honing operating skills.>>>>>>> Very
> similar to how many athletes aren’t rich until after (and not>>>>>>> for
> all) they have worked so very hard to win and are given>> noteriety.>>>>>>>
> If a guy wants to remote or travel into my area and he beats me, so>>>>>>>
> be it... time for me to get better. Or maybe I don’t want to put in>>>>>>>
> the same operating skills effort that he did and thus I’ll just hope>>>>>>>
> he doesn’t return.>>>>>>> Competition is great... it shows how hard we are
> willing to work, or>>>>>>> not.>>>>>>> Tim / N6WIN.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from
> Yahoo Mail for iPhone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 6, 2018, 14:45,
> Jim via CQ-Contest>>>>>>> <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a somewhat different perspective, being an Ohio
> snowbird who>>>>>>> spends half the year in Florida. As a practical matter
> I could not>>>>>>> qualify without a lot of travel or remote operating from
> W8. And I’m>>>>>>> not that stupid to head north from Florida in February
> :-)>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had my shot at WRTC in 2014 (as N1U with partner K9NW),
> but I>>>>>>> didn’t compete to qualify for 2018, and don’t see me trying
> to>>>>>>> qualify for future WRTCs, so don’t take these comments as being
> self>>>>>>> serving.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If a W6 resident wants to operate from
> W1, let him do so, comparing>>>>>>> his scores with other W1 entrants. And
> conversely, if a guy living in>>>>>>> W1 is crazy enough to want to operate
> CQWW from W6, thinking the>>>>>>> qualifying competition there might be
> less, why stop him? Again,>>>>>>> compare his W6 score with other W6
> scores, and let the WRTC>>>>>>> qualifying points go into his home W1
> account.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So long as a person is a legitimate resident of his
> qualifying area,>>>>>>> why stop him from operating from anywhere in the
> world, whether in>>>>>>> person or remotely? I don’t have a problem to
> allow someone like>>>>>>> LZ4AX to qualify from W3, but I would not let
> people become>>>>>>> “Africans” solely by virtue of a bunch of operating
> from zone 33.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73  -  Jim    K8MR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> p.s.
> Keep in mind the motto of the Florida Contest Group: Sooner or>>>>>>>
> later, you’ll be one of us!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 6,
> 2018, at 4:16 PM, WW3S <ww3s at zoominternet.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A
> west coast ham, operating a remote station with antennas in Maine,>>>>>>>>
> should be competing as if he/she were physically in Maine.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Sent from my iPad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 11:56 PM, David
> Siddall <hhamwv at gmail.com>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>> A W6 ham resident in
> California that operates a station on the east>>>>>>>>> coast,>>>>>>>>>
> whether by physical or remote means, could not qualify to be a
> team>>>>>>>>> leader>>>>>>>>> for the WRTC2018.  Rule 7.5 - 7.7, subject to
> Rule 6.2.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73, Dave K3ZJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
> Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Carol Richards <n2mm at comcast.net>>>>>>>>>>>
> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> agree....where you operate _from_ should determine what region>>
> you>>>>>>>>>> compete in. A W6 in California operating a remote station on
> the>>>>>>>>>> East coast>>>>>>>>>> should not be grouped with other East
> coast stations to qualify>>>>>>>>>> for WRTC.>>>>>>>>>> This remote
> category is getting out of hand.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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