[CQ-Contest] WRTC which contests qualify

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Sun Jul 8 19:00:47 EDT 2018

Geographical advantage for ALL of the east coast?  Uh, no.  I ran a 4 el wire quad at a height of 120-130 ft on 80 meters in central FL and regularly got beat out to EU by W1/W2 stations running inverted vees at 80 or 90 ft.  There is a difference of around 1300-1400 miles from northern ME to southern FL and no station in FL can compete with a NE station in DX contests.  Now for domestic contests that's a different story.  That's why putting SS and maybe NAQP in the mix for qualifying is a fair way to go.

My choice for qualifying events for US:


It is possible to make a top three or four with a modest station in NAQP and SS if you are a good op.  K6LL and others have done it.

By the way, if you have a modest station or no station, many good stations are available if you ask.  The worst that will happen is the owner will say no.  Also, consider using a club station.  W4LT has used the Tampa Radio Club station and got first place US in the low power assisted last year.

Yeah, it's easier if you have a big station at your QTH, but you can still qualify if you don't.  Ask N2NL.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com>
To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 8, 2018 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Qualifying

Oh C'Mon!!  An east coast station complaining about their propagation ?  You got to be kidding right? You really don't realize how well you have it compared to the rest of the country. Only a handful of stations outside the East Coast ever make the top ten box in any category of a DX contest. Come down and operate where I live and you will appreciate what you have. I could probably put up a bunch of big towers and beams and K1AR would still beat me with his wires !! :) Jeff KU8E On 7/8/2018 11:52 AM, rjairam at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Robert, > > In the USA I have operated from Florida, Arkansas and Texas and remotely > from California. > > The difference between NJ and Maine, NH or Vermont can be quite > significant. > > Yes up here it is better than the west coast but in contesting to work > Europe the more North Easterly you are, the better because the band stays > open longer. > > 73 > Ria, N2RJ > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:09 AM robert f beaudoin <wa1fcn at charter.net> wrote: > >> GM Ria >> >>               Maybe you have never operated from outside the NorthEast >> USA, but I find it >> >> hard to sympathize with your comment about you as a W2 station >> having a geographic >> >> disadvantage against W1 land. Your QTH in N. J. what is that >> 100 miles from W1 land ? >> >> I guess all things are relative but I sure wish I had your >> disadvantage. >> >> 73 and GM from from Alabama WA1FCN >> >> >> On 7/7/2018 8:49 PM, rjairam at gmail.com wrote: >>> I’m looking at my case. Under the current criteria I have not a shot in >>> hell. Mostly because I’m competing with W1 who has an obvious geographic >>> advantage. When it was aligned with US Call districts it was a bit >> easier, >>> but I didn’t really try to qualify then. >>> >>> I guess the dream will have to wait, or I could spend money and build a >>> station in the Caribbean and operate, remotely even. >>> >>> I don’t think it will be possible to be completely fair but qualification >>> rules should prioritize skill first if this is going to be a competition >> of >>> who is the best operator. There are of course some damned good operators >> in >>> there but I think some who may not have access to a super duper station >> get >>> left out. >>> >>> 73 >>> Ria >>> N2RJ >>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:21 PM Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com> wrote: >>> >>>> 6. Qualification Score Calculation >>>> >>>> The qualification score is the sum of up to 12 Event Scores. The maximum >>>> possible qualification score is 12.000 for DL, 11.900 for the rest of >is very different, so is the east coast>>> the world.>>>>>>>>    1. A maximum of 4 Event Scores may be from multi-ops (MS/M2/MM).>>>>    2. A maximum of 4 Event Scores can be from outside an applicant’s home>>>>       Selection Area (i.e., DXpeditions).>>>>    3. A maximum of 2 operators may submit scores for a single contest>> from>>>>       a MS, 3 from a M2, and 4 from a MM.>>>>    4. If an operator’s callsign appears with more than one entry in a>>>>       single qualifying event (e.g., from operating at more than one>>>>       station), they may not use any scores from that contest.>>>>    5. In the unlikely case of a tie score for the final qualifying spot>> in>>>>       a Selection Area, the applicants will be asked for additional>> scores>>>>       beyond those submitted on the application until the tie is broken.>>>>>>>> As long as you operate a station in your own qualification area as a SO>>>> it counts. That would ether be from home OR as a guest operator. That's>>>> how you could qualify without having a station at home.>>>>>>>> Jeff>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2018 05:38 PM, Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:>>>>> What if you had no home station, let alone a tribander with wires,>> could>>>> you qualify then?>>>>> Tim / N6WIN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 7, 2018, 14:16, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com>>> wrote:>>>>> Yes, this was the first time one could qualify using low power.>>>>> Notwithstanding you have to have big antenna farm because even in Low>>>>> power category there were a lot of competitors. And yes, some of those>>>>> who have big stations did bother with doing low power. Tribander and>>>>> wires from the city lot is not enough to qualify for WRTC regardless of>>>>> power.>>>>>>>>>> 73, Igor UA9CDC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 07.07.2018 22:03, Jeff Clarke пишет:>>>>>> It's possible to qualify by doing low power. Your score would be>>>>>> compared to others that are doing low power and not the high power>>>>>> scores. If you do that you won't have to compete again the "big gun">>>>>> stations in your region. Plus you aren't getting any reduction in>>>>>> score ( getting the same number of points same as HP SO guys) like>>>>>> someone who did Multi-Ops. I really doubt someone who has a big>>>>>> station would want to bother with doing low power.>>>>>>>>>>>> If I'm not mistaken Julio, AD4Z, who is one of the team leaders in our>>>>>> region (NA-002) did this and qualified.>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff KU8E>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2018 11:11 PM, Timothy Coker via CQ-Contest wrote:>>>>>>> I think what’s most interesting is the guys I know who typically win>>>>>>> don’t spend a lot of time complaining... they spend a lot of time>>>>>>> working at what makes them winners.>>>>>>> I can also think of some people who won/win that don’t have deep>>>>>>> pockets at all.>>>>>>> Some of the best operators don’t actually have big stations. Not>>>>>>> taking away from the big station owners at all, as some of them are>>>>>>> great operators themselves. However, many are willing to let the>>>>>>> latest up and coming great operators take their station seats to show>>>>>>> what can be done.>>>>>>> It makes sense to me because it takes a lot of time and effort to>>>>>>> either build or work to pay for others to build something expensive.>>>>>>> That same time is thus not spent on honing operating skills.>>>>>>> Very similar to how many athletes aren’t rich until after (and not>>>>>>> for all) they have worked so very hard to win and are given>> noteriety.>>>>>>> If a guy wants to remote or travel into my area and he beats me, so>>>>>>> be it... time for me to get better. Or maybe I don’t want to put in>>>>>>> the same operating skills effort that he did and thus I’ll just hope>>>>>>> he doesn’t return.>>>>>>> Competition is great... it shows how hard we are willing to work, or>>>>>>> not.>>>>>>> Tim / N6WIN.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 6, 2018, 14:45, Jim via CQ-Contest>>>>>>> <cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a somewhat different perspective, being an Ohio snowbird who>>>>>>> spends half the year in Florida. As a practical matter I could not>>>>>>> qualify without a lot of travel or remote operating from W8. And I’m>>>>>>> not that stupid to head north from Florida in February  :-)>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had my shot at WRTC in 2014 (as N1U with partner K9NW), but I>>>>>>> didn’t compete to qualify for 2018, and don’t see me trying to>>>>>>> qualify for future WRTCs, so don’t take these comments as being self>>>>>>> serving.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If a W6 resident wants to operate from W1, let him do so, comparing>>>>>>> his scores with other W1 entrants. And conversely, if a guy living in>>>>>>> W1 is crazy enough to want to operate CQWW from W6, thinking the>>>>>>> qualifying competition there might be less, why stop him? Again,>>>>>>> compare his W6 score with other W6 scores, and let the WRTC>>>>>>> qualifying points go into his home W1 account.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So long as a person is a legitimate resident of his qualifying area,>>>>>>> why stop him from operating from anywhere in the world, whether in>>>>>>> person or remotely? I don’t have a problem to allow someone like>>>>>>> LZ4AX to qualify from W3, but I would not let people become>>>>>>> “Africans” solely by virtue of a bunch of operating from zone 33.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73  -  Jim    K8MR>>>>>>>>>>>>>> p.s.  Keep in mind the motto of the Florida Contest Group: Sooner or>>>>>>> later, you’ll be one of us!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 6, 2018, at 4:16 PM, WW3S <ww3s at zoominternet.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A west coast ham, operating a remote station with antennas in Maine,>>>>>>>> should be competing as if he/she were physically in Maine.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 11:56 PM, David Siddall <hhamwv at gmail.com>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>> A W6 ham resident in California that operates a station on the east>>>>>>>>> coast,>>>>>>>>> whether by physical or remote means, could not qualify to be a team>>>>>>>>> leader>>>>>>>>> for the WRTC2018.  Rule 7.5 - 7.7, subject to Rule 6.2.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 73, Dave K3ZJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Carol Richards <n2mm at comcast.net>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree....where you operate _from_ should determine what region>> you>>>>>>>>>> compete in. A W6 in California operating a remote station on the>>>>>>>>>> East coast>>>>>>>>>> should not be grouped with other East coast stations to qualify>>>>>>>>>> for WRTC.>>>>>>>>>> This remote category is getting out of hand.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carol>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list>>>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list>>>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list>>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>>> -->>>> *Jeff Clarke*>>>> Information Technology Professional>>>> Ellerslie, Georgia>>>>>>>> KU8E.com <http://www.ku8e.com/>>>>>>>>> My LinkedIn Profile <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-clarke-ga>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>> CQ-Contest mailing list>>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>> CQ-Contest mailing list>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>> _______________________________________________>> CQ-Contest mailing list>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest>>> _______________________________________________> CQ-Contest mailing list> CQ-Contest at contesting.com> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest-- *Jeff Clarke*Information Technology ProfessionalEllerslie, GeorgiaKU8E.com <http://www.ku8e.com/>My LinkedIn Profile <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-clarke-ga>_______________________________________________CQ-Contest mailing listCQ-Contest at contesting.comhttp://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest

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