[CQ-Contest] FT8 not allowed in Winter Field Day?

[robert]

GM Ria

         FT8 Has it's pluses and minuses .... This is from someone who

         operates FT 8 for about 1 hour most mornings.  The minuses I

         can see it's making me a lazy operator. Rather than S/P for

         DX I now simply  click away at decode.... So it's taking a serious

          CW operator away from CW.  I know I am

           not alone. Also I am doing it on backup

         computer/rig while more productive things I am doing on

         main computer.  So I am not even paying attention to the other

         FT8  operator, who ever it may be.  I mean I have to go to QRZ.com

         to even get his name !

        I know it's a passing thing and I am getting tired of it after 8 
months,

         and glad I am feeling this way ! It never felt like actual Ham 
Radio,

         maybe I am just too old school.

             73 BoB WA1FCN

On 1/15/2019 10:55 AM, rjairam at gmail.com wrote:
> In that case I think I'll stick to summer field day, then. There is a
> vocal anti-FT8 contingent. I choose to boycott them if they are
> hostile to a mode that for some has meant the difference between
> making contacts and simply packing up and finding another hobby.
>
> 73
> Ria, N2RJ
>
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 11:16, Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Darn!  I mis-spoke!
>>
>> FT8 is not allowed as stated at the top of the rules.
>>
>> K0HB
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 08:34 Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I just read the rules.
>>>
>>> As far as I can see, the FT8 mode is not specifically banned.
>>>
>>> If you can send and receive the required “contest exchange”, go ahead and use it.
>>>
>>> DISCLAIMER: I am not a member of the WFD rules committee, and I do not play one on TV.
>>>
>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>> “Just a Boy and his Radio”™
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 08:23 rjairam at gmail.com <rjairam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> Is telemetry not an important capability we can use? This is a very
>>>> practical possible application of WSJT modes. Furthermore even by
>>>> itself modes like WSPR can help us automatically measure propagation
>>>> to measure capabilities of our stations, i.e. determining when the
>>>> band opens and closes at our location. You can even do that in FT8
>>>> where a wider variety of signals from various places arrive at our
>>>> antennas. And even going further, as mentioned, JS8Call takes FT8 all
>>>> the way to a full conversational mode.
>>>>
>>>> There are hams now who are saying "FT8 is not real radio because it's
>>>> computers talking to one another" or "it requires no skill." To that I
>>>> say, nonsense. As hams we have found new ways to communicate over the
>>>> years. We should embrace this sort of progress.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Ria, N2RJ
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 22:42, Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> That makes good sense to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Communications modes in an emergency situation must be able to carry a
>>>>> payload of information.  The mode must be robust enough to carry a payload
>>>>> beyond “R-17” and “RR73”.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>>>> “Just a Boy and his Radio”™
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 15:38 Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One comment that was suggested in a thread elsewhere was that Field Day is
>>>>>> about being able to test out our ability to deploy in "emergency"
>>>>>> situations. FT8 cannot really be used in this type of situation because of
>>>>>> it's limited vocabulary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sean WA1TE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 3:44 PM Neil Johnson via CQ-Contest <
>>>>>> cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just curious as to why the sudden rules change?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.winterfieldday.com/rules
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> D-Star and Fusion contacts are allowed why not FT8?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Neil Johnson (N0SFH)
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>>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>>>> --
>>>>> "Just a boy and his radio"™
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>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>> --
>>> "Just a boy and his radio"™
>> --
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>> --
>> "Just a boy and his radio"™
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