[CQ-Contest] FT8 not allowed in Winter Field Day?

[Bruce Blain]

Do we know that the sponsors of Winter field day are part of the anti-FT8 contingent?  If not, then I see no reason to boycott them.  Perhaps they have a very valid reason (or reasons) for not supporting FT8.

As an occasional user of FT8 (not a fan, but I agree with Ria that there are those that benefit greatly from it), I can see several reasons why they choose to not support FT8.  But in general, I'm inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt.  Boycotting an activity that is good for amateur radio is not the answer.

Bruce, K1BG 



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From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of rjairam at gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 11:56 AM
To: Radio K0HB
Cc: Neil Johnson; cq-contest; Sean Waite
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] FT8 not allowed in Winter Field Day?

In that case I think I'll stick to summer field day, then. There is a
vocal anti-FT8 contingent. I choose to boycott them if they are
hostile to a mode that for some has meant the difference between
making contacts and simply packing up and finding another hobby.

73
Ria, N2RJ

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 11:16, Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Darn!  I mis-spoke!
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> FT8 is not allowed as stated at the top of the rules.
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> K0HB
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> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 08:34 Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I just read the rules.
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>> As far as I can see, the FT8 mode is not specifically banned.
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>> If you can send and receive the required “contest exchange”, go ahead and use it.
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>> DISCLAIMER: I am not a member of the WFD rules committee, and I do not play one on TV.
>>
>> 73, de Hans, K0HB
>> “Just a Boy and his Radio”™
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>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 08:23 rjairam at gmail.com <rjairam at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Is telemetry not an important capability we can use? This is a very
>>> practical possible application of WSJT modes. Furthermore even by
>>> itself modes like WSPR can help us automatically measure propagation
>>> to measure capabilities of our stations, i.e. determining when the
>>> band opens and closes at our location. You can even do that in FT8
>>> where a wider variety of signals from various places arrive at our
>>> antennas. And even going further, as mentioned, JS8Call takes FT8 all
>>> the way to a full conversational mode.
>>>
>>> There are hams now who are saying "FT8 is not real radio because it's
>>> computers talking to one another" or "it requires no skill." To that I
>>> say, nonsense. As hams we have found new ways to communicate over the
>>> years. We should embrace this sort of progress.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Ria, N2RJ
>>>
>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 22:42, Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > That makes good sense to me.
>>> >
>>> > Communications modes in an emergency situation must be able to carry a
>>> > payload of information.  The mode must be robust enough to carry a payload
>>> > beyond “R-17” and “RR73”.
>>> >
>>> > 73, de Hans, K0HB
>>> > “Just a Boy and his Radio”™
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 15:38 Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > One comment that was suggested in a thread elsewhere was that Field Day is
>>> > > about being able to test out our ability to deploy in "emergency"
>>> > > situations. FT8 cannot really be used in this type of situation because of
>>> > > it's limited vocabulary.
>>> > >
>>> > > Sean WA1TE
>>> > >
>>> > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 3:44 PM Neil Johnson via CQ-Contest <
>>> > > cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > Just curious as to why the sudden rules change?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > https://www.winterfieldday.com/rules
>>> > > >
>>> > > > D-Star and Fusion contacts are allowed why not FT8?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > --
>>> > > > Neil Johnson (N0SFH)
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