[CQ-Contest] FT8 not allowed in Winter Field Day?

[Amir Findling]

Hi there,
We are ham radio operators,  communicators,  not excommunicators!  No
reason to ban a mode! Changes can be made to the rules to adapt to the
limitations of FT8, and while making these changes add a multiplier factor
so that modes that are more appropriate to emergencies would be favored,
but FT8 users would not be excluded.



I had intended to participate in the winter field day,  in a minor way,
now I'm not going to.  They dislike a mode that many are using nowadays to
the point of banning it,  I  will reply with a boycott of winter field day
on all modes!

-- 

73 de Amir K9CHP

ARRL, Emergency Coordinator, Onondaga County, NY
Radio Amateurs of Greater Syracuse  www.ragsclub.org
Wilderness SAR www.wsar.org (ret.)
Eagle Valley Search Dogs www.evdogs.org (ret.)

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 16:17 rjairam at gmail.com <rjairam at gmail.com wrote:

> In that case I think I'll stick to summer field day, then. There is a
> vocal anti-FT8 contingent. I choose to boycott them if they are
> hostile to a mode that for some has meant the difference between
> making contacts and simply packing up and finding another hobby.
>
> 73
> Ria, N2RJ
>
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 11:16, Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Darn!  I mis-spoke!
> >
> > FT8 is not allowed as stated at the top of the rules.
> >
> > K0HB
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 08:34 Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I just read the rules.
> >>
> >> As far as I can see, the FT8 mode is not specifically banned.
> >>
> >> If you can send and receive the required “contest exchange”, go ahead
> and use it.
> >>
> >> DISCLAIMER: I am not a member of the WFD rules committee, and I do not
> play one on TV.
> >>
> >> 73, de Hans, K0HB
> >> “Just a Boy and his Radio”™
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 08:23 rjairam at gmail.com <rjairam at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Why?
> >>>
> >>> Is telemetry not an important capability we can use? This is a very
> >>> practical possible application of WSJT modes. Furthermore even by
> >>> itself modes like WSPR can help us automatically measure propagation
> >>> to measure capabilities of our stations, i.e. determining when the
> >>> band opens and closes at our location. You can even do that in FT8
> >>> where a wider variety of signals from various places arrive at our
> >>> antennas. And even going further, as mentioned, JS8Call takes FT8 all
> >>> the way to a full conversational mode.
> >>>
> >>> There are hams now who are saying "FT8 is not real radio because it's
> >>> computers talking to one another" or "it requires no skill." To that I
> >>> say, nonsense. As hams we have found new ways to communicate over the
> >>> years. We should embrace this sort of progress.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 73
> >>> Ria, N2RJ
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 22:42, Radio K0HB <kzerohb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > That makes good sense to me.
> >>> >
> >>> > Communications modes in an emergency situation must be able to carry
> a
> >>> > payload of information.  The mode must be robust enough to carry a
> payload
> >>> > beyond “R-17” and “RR73”.
> >>> >
> >>> > 73, de Hans, K0HB
> >>> > “Just a Boy and his Radio”™
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 15:38 Sean Waite <waisean at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > One comment that was suggested in a thread elsewhere was that
> Field Day is
> >>> > > about being able to test out our ability to deploy in "emergency"
> >>> > > situations. FT8 cannot really be used in this type of situation
> because of
> >>> > > it's limited vocabulary.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Sean WA1TE
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 3:44 PM Neil Johnson via CQ-Contest <
> >>> > > cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > Just curious as to why the sudden rules change?
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > https://www.winterfieldday.com/rules
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > D-Star and Fusion contacts are allowed why not FT8?
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > --
> >>> > > > Neil Johnson (N0SFH)
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> >>> > 73, de Hans, K0HB
> >>> > --
> >>> > "Just a boy and his radio"™
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> >> --
> >> 73, de Hans, K0HB
> >> --
> >> "Just a boy and his radio"™
> >
> > --
> > 73, de Hans, K0HB
> > --
> > "Just a boy and his radio"™
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