[CQ-Contest] SO2R Coax Stub location; outside?

[Jukka Klemola]

I second Jeff's words.

There are also other factors than RF theory where you can place the after
the amplifier filtering.
At an all-band station, there are many kinds of limitations and placing the
stub where the stub is possible to build is much better than no stub.

And, in practice the amplifiers we use tend to have different kinds of
output circuitry i.e. Pi or PiL.

In case on some band the filtering should be better, one can build a double
stub that is less sensitive to placement.
Double stub recipe:
https://www.yccc.org/Articles/K3NA_stubs.pdf

Single stub construction:
http://www.k1ttt.net/technote/k2trstub.html

In case you want to see one implementation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sQqTmxi0Js

Please look at the text that explains the contents of the photos.
Copypaste here
Pic1: OH0V relay room has 3 doors. Guest operator Franta DJ0ZY asks what
is that room and what is inside.
Pic2: The door on left gives access 10m and 80m relays and stub filters.
Pic3: Center door hides 20m and 15m relays and stubs.
Pic4: Behind the right door are 160m and 40m relays and stubs.
Pic5: View from right door towards left
Pic6: View from left door towards right.

The relays are inside the upside down aluminum kettles.
Easy to make and very low cost at household flea markets.

All stub filters are 7/8 inch 50 ohm hardline.


 73,
Jukka OH6LI


su 23. helmik. 2020 klo 6.48 Jeff Blaine (KeepWalking188 at ac0c.com)
kirjoitti:
>
> Here's the quick & dirty reply to the "get it in the right place along
> the line" placement worry.
>
> 1. Build your stub and get it ready for install
>
> 2. Measure the amplitude of the 2nd harmonic on whatever the band you
> are wanting to stick a stub in.  Say it's 40m transmitting on rig 1 so
> you would look at the 20m 2nd on rig 2.  This is the baseline.
>
> 3. Now go out and stick that stub in whatever the MOST CONVENIENT PLACE
> IS along the line.  If you have a remote antenna switch, that's likely
> the point where the feed line comes off the tower and hooks into that
> switch.  Don't sweat the location.  Just stick it on.
>
> 4. Back in the shack, check the level of that 2nd harmonic.  If it's
> "good enough" - then you are done.  If it's not good enough, then you
> have more work to do.
>
> I find the generic single stub, pretty much randomly placed, to be good
> for say 15 dB or better.  Maybe I'm just lucky.  Or maybe I'm just that
> good.  ha ha.  But if the stub measures 25 dB on the bench and I'm
> getting 15 dB in actual use, and let's say I need a few more to reach
> "good enough" - then I can add in some extra feed line and see if the
> attenuation improves (because that "moves" the stub to a more favorable
> point).  Or I can whip up a double stub (which will have more
> attenuation).  Or do consider something else that would reduce the
coupling.
>
> My point is that building and using the stub is far more important and
> worrying to death about line placement.  You can always refine the line
> placement later, if needed.
>
> Stubs are a marvelous and wonderful thing!
>
> 73/jeff/ac0c
> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
> www.ac0c.com
>
>
> On 2/22/20 7:27 PM, Jeff Blaine wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > Good you are getting that filtering added.  SO2r without filtering is
> > a recipe for frying front ends.  Guess luck has been in your favor.
> >
> > On the stub location, outside is fine.  In fact all my stubs have been
> > located outside.  There is some magic as to the optimal place along
> > the feedline to place stubs but I've never fine tuned to that point.
> > I load the stub at the base of the tower where the antenna stack
> > matches are and they work fine.
> >
> > 73/jeff/ac0c
> > alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
> > www.ac0c.com
> >
> >
> > On 2/22/20 3:52 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote:
> >> Is it reasonable to assume I could locate all my coax stubs 165' away
> >> from
> >> the shack outside at the antenna switch?
> >>
> >>
> >> Currently I run SO2R with no band pass filters, nor coax stubs, but I
> >> have a
> >> 'relatively' large lot (2.2ac) and "radio 2" has a single antenna
> >> (horizontal ZS6BKW) located at the opposite end of the lot and the
> >> primary
> >> "radio 1" has a variety of verticals or vertical arrays, so it works.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sometimes that's an advantage (speed of QSY's; not ever having to worry
> >> about switching in stubs or filters) but sometimes there is a very
small
> >> amount of crossband QRM (self inflicted) and it always prevents
> >> running on 2
> >> bands with my 'best' antennas.  For example, when I am running on
> >> 40m/80m I
> >> have to choose one 4-Sq and always the horizontal antenna is parked on
> >> "radio 2" (a ZS6BKW w/ 15m add-on element).
> >>
> >>
> >> If I bought 2 sets of bandpass filters and made up 6 coax stubs that
> >> I could
> >> locate out at the antenna switch, I think it would be a small step up
> >> for my
> >> signal on some band combos.  The relatively low ZS6' ain't exactly a
> >> pileup
> >> buster ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >> Reason is, there is NO ROOM in the shack for stubs.  Just none.
> >>
> >>
> >> So, any downside to doing it this way?
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike VE9AA "NB"
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike, Coreen & Corey
> >>
> >> Keswick Ridge, NB
> >>
> >>
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