[CQ-Contest] What's your Opinion on 2BSIQ ?

Tue Jun 2 09:22:49 EDT 2020

"The rules for ARRL contests prohibit dual CQing on the same band:"

This is also true for CQ sponsored contests. It is general rule IX 7.:

"Only one signal on a band is allowed at any time. When two or more
transmitters are present on the same band, a hardware device MUST be
used to prevent more than one signal at any one time. Alternating CQs
on two or more frequencies on a band is not permitted."

73
Ria, N2RJ

On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 09:05, Richard F DDonna NN3W <richnn3w at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jeff, I'm going to have to disagree with you.  The fact of the matter is
> that the current rules fully allow 2BSIQ operating.  The rules of most all
> contests for single operators state that only one transmitted signal is
> allowed at one time.  2BSIQ operating fully complies with this
> requirement.  This is simply a progression of traditional SO2R operating.
> SO2R is pretty common at stations these days, and the ability to do 2BSIQ
> operating is simply an evolution of operator skill and practice - as
> opposed to an additional hardware feature that is not available
> to any ham.
>
> Lets remember also that most all other categories are more than simply one
> operator and one radio.  Multi-single entrants often have three radios:
> radio #1 that is running on one band, radio #2 that is picking off mults on
> a second band, and radio #3 that is working in-band S&P on the same band as
> radio #1.  As long as there is only one transmitted signal and the rules
> permit a mult hunter radio, there is again no rules violation.  Multi-2
> stations often have four radios.
>
> The rules for ARRL contests prohibit dual CQing on the same band: "alternating
> CQs on two or more frequencies using the same band and mode is prohibited."
>  The rules are absolutely silent on dual CQing on the same band, which
> clearly implies that as the ARRL general rules specifically prohibit
> in-band dual running, the rules contemplate two band running.
>
> I personally am not up to nuff on 2BSIQ on CW. I can do it on SSB.
> Probably because I havent practiced it enough.  I will say for certain that
> I have done some 2BSIQ on CW - but usually when one band is runnable and
> when one band is just getting going.  I find it to be a valid technique in
> assessing which band is "hotter".
>
> Could the rules be amended to expressly prohibit simultaneous "CQs"?  Sure,
> go ahead and try.  I'm not sure how it really helps anyone.
>
> 73 Rich NN3W
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 2:39 AM Jeff Clarke <ku8e at ku8e.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I was wondering what everyone's thoughts are about 2BSIQ ? Do you think
> > it's fair to group those who operate this way in with a traditional
> > single-operator or should it (and SO2R) be a separate category? I've
> > found by looking at the 3830 claimed scores that those who do 2BSIQ come
> > close to doubling the score of everyone else.
> >
> > There's also a technically in the rules for most contests that you
> > aren't really on a band unless you are transmitting. I just happened to
> > come across a video on YouTube of a well known contester who recorded
> > himself operating 2BSIQ. What he did is when he was operating on one
> > band and in the middle of a QSO  he would be CQing on another band. So
> > he was basically doing a Multi-2 minus transmitting at the same time
> > with one operator and managing two pileups of stations calling him. Also
> > consider that if you are Multi-Single you're limited to how many QSY's
> > you can make on a 2nd radio while doing Single-Op SO2R there is no
> > limitation. Is that really fair?  For M/S why not just allow unlimited
> > QSY's on your 2nd radio  if you're only working multipliers on that
> > station. It would be pretty easy to for those checking your log to
> > validate this.
> >
> > CQ kind of addresses these issues but why are the Classic rules
> > different between CQWW and CQ WPX? I want to operate more than 24 hours
> > in CQWW.  There isn't anything classic about only allowing 24 hours in
> > CQWW. It's basically a category for old guys that can't do more than 24
> > hours anymore. Also why isn't there a Tribander/Single Element category
> > in CQWW?  Plus this category in WPX says you can't use a receive
> > antenna. What's going on with that?
> >
> > Why not make these categories consistent between all CQ sponsored
> > contests using the WPX definition of Classic and Tribander/Single Element ?
> >
> > *CQWW Rules :*
> >
> > /1. Classic Operator (CLASSIC): The entrant will use only one radio, no
> > QSO finding assistance, and may operate up to 24 of the 48 hours – off
> > times are a minimum of 60 minutes during which no QSO is logged. If the
> > log shows more than 24 hours of operation, only the first 24 hours will
> > be counted for the overlay score. The one radio must not be able to
> > receive while transmitting. Single Operator Assisted entries are not
> > eligible for this category./
> >
> > *CQ WPX Rules :*
> >
> > /1. Tribander/Single Element (TB-WIRES): During the contest an entrant
> > shall use only one (1) tribander (any type, with a single feed line from
> > the transmitter to the antenna) for 10, 15, and 20 meters and
> > single-element antennas on 40, 80, and 160 meters. Separate receiving
> > antennas are not permitted in this category./*
> > *
> >
> > /3. Classic Operator (CLASSIC): The entrant will use only one radio, no
> > QSO finding assistance, and the one radio must not be able to receive
> > while transmitting. Operator Assisted entries are not eligible for this
> > category./
> >
> > /
> > /
> >
> > *ARRL DX Rules :*
> >
> > The Multi-Single rules for ARRL DX are even worse. You have to take time
> > away from your run station to work multipliers on a 2nd band. But there
> > aren't any QSY limitations for a single-operator. So like the CQ
> > contests you can operate like a traditional multi-2 station in a CQ
> > contest without any limitations. ARRL - Why not add a Classic -
> > Tribander/Single Element category like CQ has?
> >
> > /3.4.4 Band Changes. Single Transmitter and Two Transmitter sub-category
> > entries are limited to six (6) band changes per clock hour per
> > transmitter./
> >
> > /
> > /
> >
> > I hope those who operate 2BSIQ in contests  don't take my comments
> > personally. I'm not against the technological advances we have in
> > contesting these days. I just think it's fair to those who don't have
> > the means to have all the equipment necessary to do this not be grouped
> > in with those who do.
> >
> >
> > Jeff KU8E
> >
> >
> >
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