[CQ-Contest] Merging Social Media and Contesting

[Stan Stockton]

Why would anyone care whether there was advantage gained or not? I wouldn't
care whether he had 300 more uniques than W3LPL or K3LR or had 50 fewer.

Doing something that turns out to be wrong is what is important.  It does
not matter whether beneficial or not.

73.. Stan, K5GO

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 2:32 PM <k5zd at charter.net> wrote:

> Uniques are one possible measure, but I don’t think it alone is
> sufficient.
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> W2RE operating from ME and being very loud into Europe is going to have
> uniques.  A unique being define as a callsign that only appears in the W2RE
> log. Uniques will be found in the W3LPL and K3LR logs as well. The
> difficult part is determining how many of those W2RE uniques were derived
> from the social media aspect.  And it is also possible that some of those
> stations drawn in by social media went on to work others and thus were no
> longer uniques.
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>
>
> The real test would be a correlation of uniques in the log with Facebook
> users viewing the stream.  Not sure how you would do that.  It would make
> an interesting research project to help understand more about the game we
> play.
>
>
>
> Note: I am not making this about the “advantage” determining the winner of
> a close race.  W2RE has a rather commanding lead on the 3830 scores. It is
> also not about being “assisted” or “non-assisted”.  It is only about using
> non-amateur means to solicit contacts.
>
>
>
> Randy K5ZD
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> From: donovanf at starpower.net <donovanf at starpower.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:30 AM
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Merging Social Media and Contesting
>
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> I'm surprised at Randy's comment that " it is impossible to measure the
> impact or harm"
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> Unique QSOs in the W2RE log will provide a measure of the impact
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>
> 73
>
> Frank
>
> W3LPL
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>
>   _____
>
> From: k5zd at charter.net <mailto:k5zd at charter.net>
> To: "Edward Sawyer" <EdwardS at sbelectronics.com <mailto:
> EdwardS at sbelectronics.com> >, cq-contest at contesting.com <mailto:
> cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Merging Social Media and Contesting
>
> I am in favor of big stations and remote operations.  Live streaming so
> others can hear what it sounds like is also good.  Promoting ham radio and
> contesting using social media is great (and needed)!
>
> I share the concerns about when the live PR effort bleeds into soliciting
> activity for the station doing this.   The rules are fairly clear that use
> of non-amateur means to solicit contacts is prohibited (written back when
> people would use the telephone to get multipliers on the air).
>
> In this case, it is impossible to measure the impact or harm.  I.e., we
> don't know how much it helped the score or if it would have changed the
> order of finish.  Even so, the rules are the rules.  It will be up to the
> sponsor to decide where they want to draw the line for their contest.
>
> Randy K5ZD
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+k5zd=charter.net at contesting.com
> <mailto:cq-contest-bounces+k5zd=charter.net at contesting.com> > On
> Behalf Of Edward Sawyer
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 8:56 PM
> To: peter.voelpel at t-online.de <mailto:peter.voelpel at t-online.de> ;
> cq-contest at contesting.com <mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Merging Social Media and Contesting
>
> IF you watch the video, you will see broadcasting of frequency on the
> sidebar chats being displayed - self spotting.  Using a chat room.  And by
> asking people on line to share the feed with their friends and get on and
> work him - he is soliciting contacts by non-amateur means.
>
> Ed  N1UR
>
>
> From: Peter Voelpel [peter.voelpel at t-online.de] On Behalf Of
> dj7ww at t-online.de <mailto:dj7ww at t-online.de>  [dj7ww at t-online.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 8:24 PM
> To: Edward Sawyer; cq-contest at contesting.com <mailto:
> cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Merging Social Media and Contesting
>
> Ed,
>
> what numerous rules violations do you have in mind?
> So far I am not aware of any.
>
> 73
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest
> [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+dj7ww=t-online.de at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Edward Sawyer
>
> I would suggest that anyone curious take a listen to the live stream
> recording on YouTube and look at the interaction Ray has with the "live
> chat
> room" on his website with the contacts being made.
>
> Asking people to look for him on the Cluster to see where he is.
>
> Even as an assisted operation, it demonstrates numerous rules violations as
> recorded.
>
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