[CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics

[pa5mw at home.nl]

Same experience here:

'Mike'   at weak-signal  VHF/UHF SSB sounds  like  a very short '-aik-'  with hardly RF energy in it and thus goes lost.

I learned decades ago from seasoned VHF/UHF contesters to use 'MEXICO'   which at the weak-signal-level sounds like 'eh-ieeeh-oh', though is quickly recognized.

'Golf' is another too short one, but at least the '-oh-' part carries short but decent energy. Can't remember what the alternative was; 'Germany' ? 

'Lima' indeed was exchanged for 'London'



Bad alternatives:

'Sugar' which carries only  like 'uh-ga'.   

'Honolulu', which is to long and sounds garbled.


73
Mark PA5MW



-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+pa5mw=home.nl at contesting.com> On Behalf Of Jack Parker
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 21:46 PM
To: Jorge Diez - CX6VM <cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com>
Cc: Cq-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics

My XYL has a particularly difficult call on SSB (K0MKL). When using properly pronounced standard phonetics the "mike" is often missed and the "lima" almost as much. She rarely operates phone but we have found the combination "Mexico, kilowatt, London" is very effective and crosses linguistic boundaries easily.

Likewise, my call (K0JP) is sometimes a problem with standard phonetics. I have begun using the combination "Japan, Portugal" and find that, too, is quite effective.

We are additionally disadvantaged by having a station that is limited to low power and a low long-wire antenna. That compounds our phonetics issues and is the reason for our aversion to phone operation.

73,

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:41 PM Jorge Diez - CX6VM <cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com>
wrote:

> just use the right one
>
> no need to invent nothing
>
>
> https://www.buytwowayradios.com/blog/2013/10/the_amateur_radio_phoneti
> c_alphabet.html
>
>
> LetterPhonetic WordPronunciation
> A Alpha *al*-fah
> B Bravo
>
> *brah-voh*
> C Charlie *char*-lee
> D Delta *dell*-tah
> E Echo *eck*-oh
> F Foxtrot *foks*-trot
> G Golf *golf*
> H Hotel hoh-*tell*
> I India *in*-dee-ah
> J Juliet *jew*-lee-*ett*
> K Kilo *kee*-loh
> L Lima *lee*-mah
> M Mike *mike*
> N November noh-*vem*-ber
> O Oscar *oss*-cah
> P Papa pah-*pah*
> Q Quebec keh-*beck*
> R Romeo *row*-me-oh
> S Sierra see-*air*-ah
> T Tango *tang*-go
> U Uniform *you*-nee-form or *oo*-nee-form V Victor *vik*-tah W Whiskey 
> *wiss*-key X Xray *ecks*-ray Y Yankee *yang*-key Z Zulu *zoo*-loo
>
>
> El mar., 24 mar. 2020 a las 12:46, Yuri (<ve3dz at rigexpert.net>) escribió:
>
> > Gentlemen,
> >
> > I suggest we should create an online poll, where EVERYONY could vote 
> > for HIS favorite phonetics, instead of posting it here as individual message.
> >
> > 73  Yuri  VE3DZ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+ve3dz= 
> > rigexpert.net at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Lyubomir Slavov, OR2F
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:57 AM
> > To: David Gilbert
> > Cc: Cq-Contest
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > With all my respect I would suggest to try with:
> >
> > G= George
> > S= Sugar,
> >
> > These are the only replacements I use in my voice robot.
> >
> > 73,
> > Leo / OR2F
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020, 05:28 David Gilbert, <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I totally agree with Jim, which is why I disagree with W3LPL. 
> > > There are some horrible phonetics in the common international 
> > > listing.  Hard consonants beat soft ones, short multi-syllable 
> > > words are better than single syllable words, long vowel sounds are 
> > > better than short ones, and commonly known words with unique 
> > > sounds are best.  Here are a few of my hangups on the list:
> > >
> > > Canada is better than Charlie
> > >
> > > Golf is terrible ... probably the worst one on the list.  
> > > Guatemala is better but admittedly long.  Germany is maybe a better compromise.
> > > Too bad more people wouldn't recognize gator
> > >
> > > Italy is better than India
> > >
> > > Japan beats Juliet hands down
> > >
> > > Radio should be better than Romeo
> > >
> > > Sierra is weak ... Santiago is better
> > >
> > > United is much better than Uniform
> > >
> > > Aside from that, I'm always amazed at how many people when asked 
> > > for a repeat will keep giving the exact same phonetic over and 
> > > over again when it is obvious that they are down in the mud and 
> > > probably have an inflection or intonation that makes that 
> > > particular word hard to understand.  If somebody is having trouble 
> > > with Alpha Bravo Seven Echo I'll switch to America Boston Seven 
> > > Equador or Able Baker Seven England or anything else that might help the other guy out.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Dave AB7E
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/23/2020 5:24 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> > > > Another VERY important element of phonetics under tough 
> > > > conditions is that a hard consonant can be better than a softer 
> > > > one. That's why "Canada" sometimes works better than "Charlie," for example.
> > >
> >
> >
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>
> --
> 73,
> Jorge
> CX6VM/CW5W
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73,

Jack, VE3RUA/K0JP
Shelley, K0MKL
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