[CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics

Fri Mar 27 16:52:57 EDT 2020

>>Bad alternatives:
>>
>>'Sugar' which carries only  like 'uh-ga'.

What do you suggest for "S"? Sierra doesn't work, I've used "Sugar". Is
"Santiago" universally understood?

People have trouble with "Zulu". I use "Zanzibar". Any other suggestions?
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Stan, K4SBZ

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 3:21 PM PA5MW via CQ-Contest <
cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:

> Same experience here:
>
> 'Mike'   at weak-signal  VHF/UHF SSB sounds  like  a very short '-aik-'
> with hardly RF energy in it and thus goes lost.
>
> I learned decades ago from seasoned VHF/UHF contesters to use 'MEXICO'
>  which at the weak-signal-level sounds like 'eh-ieeeh-oh', though is
> quickly recognized.
>
> 'Golf' is another too short one, but at least the '-oh-' part carries
> short but decent energy. Can't remember what the alternative was; 'Germany'
> ?
>
> 'Lima' indeed was exchanged for 'London'
>
>
>
> Bad alternatives:
>
> 'Sugar' which carries only  like 'uh-ga'.
>
> 'Honolulu', which is to long and sounds garbled.
>
>
> 73
> Mark PA5MW
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+pa5mw=home.nl at contesting.com> On
> Behalf Of Jack Parker
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 21:46 PM
> To: Jorge Diez - CX6VM <cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com>
> Cc: Cq-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics
>
> My XYL has a particularly difficult call on SSB (K0MKL). When using
> properly pronounced standard phonetics the "mike" is often missed and the
> "lima" almost as much. She rarely operates phone but we have found the
> combination "Mexico, kilowatt, London" is very effective and crosses
> linguistic boundaries easily.
>
> Likewise, my call (K0JP) is sometimes a problem with standard phonetics. I
> have begun using the combination "Japan, Portugal" and find that, too, is
> quite effective.
>
> We are additionally disadvantaged by having a station that is limited to
> low power and a low long-wire antenna. That compounds our phonetics issues
> and is the reason for our aversion to phone operation.
>
> 73,
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:41 PM Jorge Diez - CX6VM <cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > just use the right one
> >
> > no need to invent nothing
> >
> >
> > https://www.buytwowayradios.com/blog/2013/10/the_amateur_radio_phoneti
> > c_alphabet.html
> >
> >
> > LetterPhonetic WordPronunciation
> > A Alpha *al*-fah
> > B Bravo
> >
> > *brah-voh*
> > C Charlie *char*-lee
> > D Delta *dell*-tah
> > E Echo *eck*-oh
> > F Foxtrot *foks*-trot
> > G Golf *golf*
> > H Hotel hoh-*tell*
> > I India *in*-dee-ah
> > J Juliet *jew*-lee-*ett*
> > K Kilo *kee*-loh
> > L Lima *lee*-mah
> > M Mike *mike*
> > N November noh-*vem*-ber
> > O Oscar *oss*-cah
> > P Papa pah-*pah*
> > Q Quebec keh-*beck*
> > R Romeo *row*-me-oh
> > S Sierra see-*air*-ah
> > T Tango *tang*-go
> > U Uniform *you*-nee-form or *oo*-nee-form V Victor *vik*-tah W Whiskey
> > *wiss*-key X Xray *ecks*-ray Y Yankee *yang*-key Z Zulu *zoo*-loo
> >
> >
> > El mar., 24 mar. 2020 a las 12:46, Yuri (<ve3dz at rigexpert.net>)
> escribió:
> >
> > > Gentlemen,
> > >
> > > I suggest we should create an online poll, where EVERYONY could vote
> > > for HIS favorite phonetics, instead of posting it here as individual
> message.
> > >
> > > 73  Yuri  VE3DZ
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+ve3dz=
> > > rigexpert.net at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Lyubomir Slavov, OR2F
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:57 AM
> > > To: David Gilbert
> > > Cc: Cq-Contest
> > > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics
> > >
> > > Hi David,
> > >
> > > With all my respect I would suggest to try with:
> > >
> > > G= George
> > > S= Sugar,
> > >
> > > These are the only replacements I use in my voice robot.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Leo / OR2F
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020, 05:28 David Gilbert, <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I totally agree with Jim, which is why I disagree with W3LPL.
> > > > There are some horrible phonetics in the common international
> > > > listing.  Hard consonants beat soft ones, short multi-syllable
> > > > words are better than single syllable words, long vowel sounds are
> > > > better than short ones, and commonly known words with unique
> > > > sounds are best.  Here are a few of my hangups on the list:
> > > >
> > > > Canada is better than Charlie
> > > >
> > > > Golf is terrible ... probably the worst one on the list.
> > > > Guatemala is better but admittedly long.  Germany is maybe a better
> compromise.
> > > > Too bad more people wouldn't recognize gator
> > > >
> > > > Italy is better than India
> > > >
> > > > Japan beats Juliet hands down
> > > >
> > > > Radio should be better than Romeo
> > > >
> > > > Sierra is weak ... Santiago is better
> > > >
> > > > United is much better than Uniform
> > > >
> > > > Aside from that, I'm always amazed at how many people when asked
> > > > for a repeat will keep giving the exact same phonetic over and
> > > > over again when it is obvious that they are down in the mud and
> > > > probably have an inflection or intonation that makes that
> > > > particular word hard to understand.  If somebody is having trouble
> > > > with Alpha Bravo Seven Echo I'll switch to America Boston Seven
> > > > Equador or Able Baker Seven England or anything else that might help
> the other guy out.
> > > >
> > > > 73,
> > > > Dave AB7E
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 3/23/2020 5:24 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> > > > > Another VERY important element of phonetics under tough
> > > > > conditions is that a hard consonant can be better than a softer
> > > > > one. That's why "Canada" sometimes works better than "Charlie,"
> for example.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > --
> > 73,
> > Jorge
> > CX6VM/CW5W
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> --
> 73,
>
> Jack, VE3RUA/K0JP
> Shelley, K0MKL
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