[CQ-Contest] CQ-Contest Digest, Vol 207, Issue 45
giwagner at k5kg.com
giwagner at k5kg.com
Sun Mar 29 13:01:31 EDT 2020
Bob, I do not have a problem using N1MM+, but I must admit that the learning
curve was significant. Additionally, I only use it for daily logging, CW
and occasionally SSB contests. I do not use any of the digital modes, other
than CW, of course!
I also have no problem with N3FJP or Wintest. Years ago, I used WriteLog,
but got away from WL when WinTest hit the street. I will use N3FLP
occasionally when it has a contest module that I need.
73, George K5KG
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Today's Topics:
1. N1MM, Writelog,, N3FJP?? (Bob)
2. Re: N1MM, Writelog,, N3FJP?? (Bob)
3. FW: N1MM, Writelog,, N3FJP?? (pwhelton at earthlink.net)
4. Re: N1MM, Writelog,, N3FJP?? (Keith Dutson)
5. Re: N1MM, Writelog,, N3FJP?? (Bob)
6. Re: SSB Phonetics (Barry Merrill)
7. Re: SSB Phonetics (Mike Smith VE9AA)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 20:03:38 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bob <robotgrant at yahoo.com>
To: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>, GoFRC
<gofrc at groups.io>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] N1MM, Writelog,, N3FJP??
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N1MM+ is the overwhelming choice of contesters. I have endless problems with
it that may be me, my rig, computer, cables, software, you name it, so I
won't blame it.
Has anyone experience sith Writelog and/or N3FJP and would recommend it or
not for someone who is running the smallest barefoot single op unassisted
station for CW?
Thanks and Go FRC..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Bob N9GG
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 21:30:03 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bob <robotgrant at yahoo.com>
To: "aa6dx7388 at gmail.com" <aa6dx7388 at gmail.com>
Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>, GoFRC
<gofrc at groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] N1MM, Writelog,, N3FJP??
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?No reason. Tell me more.?
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 5:24 PM, Mark Nelson<aa6dx7388 at gmail.com> wrote:
I have been using N3FJP software since Scott & XYL started, and am very
satisfied with the product.? Continuous updates and quick response to any
difficulty encountered makes for great hamming experience, both contesting
and logging.? The similarity between the different programs make for easy
out-of-the box operating.? FYI, I used CT when it was first offered..damn,
getting old!? 73? Mark? AA6DX
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 2:03 PM Bob via CQ-Contest
<cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
N1MM+ is the overwhelming choice of contesters. I have endless problems with
it that may be me, my rig, computer, cables, software, you name it, so I
won't blame it.
Has anyone experience sith Writelog and/or N3FJP and would recommend it or
not for someone who is running the smallest barefoot single op unassisted
station for CW?
Thanks and Go FRC..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Bob N9GG
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 16:35:22 -0500
From: <pwhelton at earthlink.net>
To: <CQ-Contest at contesting.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] FW: N1MM, Writelog,, N3FJP??
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From: pwhelton at earthlink.net <pwhelton at earthlink.net>
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To: 'Bob' <robotgrant at yahoo.com>; 'GoFRC' <gofrc at groups.io>
Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] N1MM, Writelog,, N3FJP??
Bob. Give N3FJP a try. I'm pretty certain you won't regret it. Several
years ago I wanted to play in a contest and chose N1MM as my logger. Huge
mistake. You don't learn N1MM 30 minutes before a contest starts. After
being frustrated I went to the N3FJP web site and downloaded the module for
that particular contest and I was in business. Very intuitive software. I
didn't need a engineering degree from MIT to figure it out ... just a BBA
from the UofH.
You mention you like CW. If you interface the WinKeyer with N3FJP you can
code macros into your F-Keys and it makes contesting in CW super easy.
Good luck.
Regards,
Pat - KZ5J
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Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:04 PM
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Subject: [CQ-Contest] N1MM, Writelog,, N3FJP??
N1MM+ is the overwhelming choice of contesters. I have endless problems with
it that may be me, my rig, computer, cables, software, you name it, so I
won't blame it.
Has anyone experience sith Writelog and/or N3FJP and would recommend it or
not for someone who is running the smallest barefoot single op unassisted
station for CW?
Thanks and Go FRC.. Bob N9GG
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 17:09:05 -0500
From: "Keith Dutson" <kdutson at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Cq-Contest" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] N1MM, Writelog,, N3FJP??
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I have used them all, and lately been experimenting with Ham Radio Deluxe.
My favorite contesting software is N3FJP, just because it is so simple to
use, and multi-op visitors learn it quickly. Plus, it used MS Access as the
database, and I am an expert with than, which allows limitless data analysis
for me.
N1MM+ is the best deal in town. How could anyone pass up this jewel, for
FREE!
73, Keith NM5G
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On Behalf Of Bob via CQ-Contest
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:04 PM
To: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>; GoFRC
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Subject: [CQ-Contest] N1MM, Writelog,, N3FJP??
N1MM+ is the overwhelming choice of contesters. I have endless problems with
it that may be me, my rig, computer, cables, software, you name it, so I
won't blame it.
Has anyone experience sith Writelog and/or N3FJP and would recommend it or
not for someone who is running the smallest barefoot single op unassisted
station for CW?
Thanks and Go FRC.. Bob N9GG
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 21:30:03 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bob <robotgrant at yahoo.com>
To: "aa6dx7388 at gmail.com" <aa6dx7388 at gmail.com>
Cc: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest at contesting.com>, GoFRC
<gofrc at groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] N1MM, Writelog,, N3FJP??
Message-ID: <604050233.280993.1585431003556 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
?No reason. Tell me more.?
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 5:24 PM, Mark Nelson<aa6dx7388 at gmail.com> wrote:
I have been using N3FJP software since Scott & XYL started, and am very
satisfied with the product.? Continuous updates and quick response to any
difficulty encountered makes for great hamming experience, both contesting
and logging.? The similarity between the different programs make for easy
out-of-the box operating.? FYI, I used CT when it was first offered..damn,
getting old!? 73? Mark? AA6DX
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 2:03 PM Bob via CQ-Contest
<cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
N1MM+ is the overwhelming choice of contesters. I have endless problems with
it that may be me, my rig, computer, cables, software, you name it, so I
won't blame it.
Has anyone experience sith Writelog and/or N3FJP and would recommend it or
not for someone who is running the smallest barefoot single op unassisted
station for CW?
Thanks and Go FRC..? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Bob N9GG
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 07:14:42 -0500
From: "Barry Merrill" <w5gn at mxg.com>
To: "'Jukka Klemola'" <jpklemola at gmail.com>, "'Stan Zawrotny'"
<k4sbz.stan at gmail.com>, "'Cq-Contest'" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics
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Don't ever use SPAIN.
When I first use KG4CS in 1970, often using Canada Spain, in the first batch
of QSL received, those from latin countries claimed a contact with KG4CE,
for Espagne.
Barry, W5GN
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From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+w5gn=mxg.com at contesting.com> On Behalf
Of Jukka Klemola
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 4:24 PM
To: Stan Zawrotny <k4sbz.stan at gmail.com>; Cq-Contest
<cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics
Hi Stan, folks ..
pe 27. maalisk. 2020 klo 23.11 Stan Zawrotny (k4sbz.stan at gmail.com)
kirjoitti:
> >>Bad alternatives:
> >>
> >>'Sugar' which carries only like 'uh-ga'.
>
> What do you suggest for "S"? Sierra doesn't work, I've used "Sugar".
> Is "Santiago" universally understood?
>
Sierra is pretty good along with Santiago. Sugar is not so good.
For us Finns, S?kyl? might work .. pronounced by a born-Finn.
> People have trouble with "Zulu". I use "Zanzibar". Any other suggestions?
>
Zanzibar is the best for Z.
Zulu sounds like zero if there is any weakness in the signal.
___________________
> Stan, K4SBZ
>
>
73,
Jukka OH6LI
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 3:21 PM PA5MW via CQ-Contest <
> cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
>
> > Same experience here:
> >
> > 'Mike' at weak-signal VHF/UHF SSB sounds like a very short '-aik-'
> > with hardly RF energy in it and thus goes lost.
> >
> > I learned decades ago from seasoned VHF/UHF contesters to use 'MEXICO'
> > which at the weak-signal-level sounds like 'eh-ieeeh-oh', though is
> > quickly recognized.
> >
> > 'Golf' is another too short one, but at least the '-oh-' part
> > carries short but decent energy. Can't remember what the alternative
> > was;
> 'Germany'
> > ?
> >
> > 'Lima' indeed was exchanged for 'London'
> >
> >
> >
> > Bad alternatives:
> >
> > 'Sugar' which carries only like 'uh-ga'.
> >
> > 'Honolulu', which is to long and sounds garbled.
> >
> >
> > 73
> > Mark PA5MW
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+pa5mw=home.nl at contesting.com>
> > On Behalf Of Jack Parker
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 21:46 PM
> > To: Jorge Diez - CX6VM <cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Cq-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics
> >
> > My XYL has a particularly difficult call on SSB (K0MKL). When using
> > properly pronounced standard phonetics the "mike" is often missed
> > and the "lima" almost as much. She rarely operates phone but we have
> > found the combination "Mexico, kilowatt, London" is very effective
> > and crosses linguistic boundaries easily.
> >
> > Likewise, my call (K0JP) is sometimes a problem with standard phonetics.
> I
> > have begun using the combination "Japan, Portugal" and find that,
> > too, is quite effective.
> >
> > We are additionally disadvantaged by having a station that is
> > limited to low power and a low long-wire antenna. That compounds our
> > phonetics
> issues
> > and is the reason for our aversion to phone operation.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:41 PM Jorge Diez - CX6VM <
> cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > just use the right one
> > >
> > > no need to invent nothing
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.buytwowayradios.com/blog/2013/10/the_amateur_radio_pho
> > > neti
> > > c_alphabet.html
> > >
> > >
> > > LetterPhonetic WordPronunciation
> > > A Alpha *al*-fah
> > > B Bravo
> > >
> > > *brah-voh*
> > > C Charlie *char*-lee
> > > D Delta *dell*-tah
> > > E Echo *eck*-oh
> > > F Foxtrot *foks*-trot
> > > G Golf *golf*
> > > H Hotel hoh-*tell*
> > > I India *in*-dee-ah
> > > J Juliet *jew*-lee-*ett*
> > > K Kilo *kee*-loh
> > > L Lima *lee*-mah
> > > M Mike *mike*
> > > N November noh-*vem*-ber
> > > O Oscar *oss*-cah
> > > P Papa pah-*pah*
> > > Q Quebec keh-*beck*
> > > R Romeo *row*-me-oh
> > > S Sierra see-*air*-ah
> > > T Tango *tang*-go
> > > U Uniform *you*-nee-form or *oo*-nee-form V Victor *vik*-tah W
> > > Whiskey *wiss*-key X Xray *ecks*-ray Y Yankee *yang*-key Z Zulu
> > > *zoo*-loo
> > >
> > >
> > > El mar., 24 mar. 2020 a las 12:46, Yuri (<ve3dz at rigexpert.net>)
> > escribi?:
> > >
> > > > Gentlemen,
> > > >
> > > > I suggest we should create an online poll, where EVERYONY could
> > > > vote for HIS favorite phonetics, instead of posting it here as
> > > > individual
> > message.
> > > >
> > > > 73 Yuri VE3DZ
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+ve3dz=
> > > > rigexpert.net at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Lyubomir Slavov, OR2F
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:57 AM
> > > > To: David Gilbert
> > > > Cc: Cq-Contest
> > > > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics
> > > >
> > > > Hi David,
> > > >
> > > > With all my respect I would suggest to try with:
> > > >
> > > > G= George
> > > > S= Sugar,
> > > >
> > > > These are the only replacements I use in my voice robot.
> > > >
> > > > 73,
> > > > Leo / OR2F
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020, 05:28 David Gilbert,
> > > > <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I totally agree with Jim, which is why I disagree with W3LPL.
> > > > > There are some horrible phonetics in the common international
> > > > > listing. Hard consonants beat soft ones, short multi-syllable
> > > > > words are better than single syllable words, long vowel sounds
> > > > > are better than short ones, and commonly known words with
> > > > > unique sounds are best. Here are a few of my hangups on the list:
> > > > >
> > > > > Canada is better than Charlie
> > > > >
> > > > > Golf is terrible ... probably the worst one on the list.
> > > > > Guatemala is better but admittedly long. Germany is maybe a
> > > > > better
> > compromise.
> > > > > Too bad more people wouldn't recognize gator
> > > > >
> > > > > Italy is better than India
> > > > >
> > > > > Japan beats Juliet hands down
> > > > >
> > > > > Radio should be better than Romeo
> > > > >
> > > > > Sierra is weak ... Santiago is better
> > > > >
> > > > > United is much better than Uniform
> > > > >
> > > > > Aside from that, I'm always amazed at how many people when
> > > > > asked for a repeat will keep giving the exact same phonetic
> > > > > over and over again when it is obvious that they are down in
> > > > > the mud and probably have an inflection or intonation that
> > > > > makes that particular word hard to understand. If somebody is
> > > > > having trouble with Alpha Bravo Seven Echo I'll switch to
> > > > > America Boston Seven Equador or Able Baker Seven England or
> > > > > anything else that might
> help
> > the other guy out.
> > > > >
> > > > > 73,
> > > > > Dave AB7E
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 3/23/2020 5:24 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> > > > > > Another VERY important element of phonetics under tough
> > > > > > conditions is that a hard consonant can be better than a
> > > > > > softer one. That's why "Canada" sometimes works better than
"Charlie,"
> > for example.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > 73,
> > > Jorge
> > > CX6VM/CW5W
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> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 73,
> >
> > Jack, VE3RUA/K0JP
> > Shelley, K0MKL
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:36:42 -0300
From: "Mike Smith VE9AA" <ve9aa at nbnet.nb.ca>
To: <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] SSB Phonetics
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de: VE9AA
"A" is a tough one on SSB. (on CW, I love it and it's seldom busted)
Victor Echo Nine Alpha Alpha often sounds like VE9Delta Alpha on the DX end
for some reason. (My Canadian accent?)
If condx are trying and I am working DX slowly, I may go to VE9 "America
America".
The DX seems to really like America vs. Alpha. (though it is much slower to
say)
If I am running a strong , fast, USA pileup on a quiet band, then VE9"Abel
Abel" works (and "Abel" is easier to say)
And for reasons I am still not sure of, sometimes the 9 gets busted as a
1...maybe because there are quite a few more 1's than 9's, (or I talk too
fast) so I find myself emphasizing the 9 much more than I normally
would.really stretching it out.
NiiiyNaah (or even NineR in rare cases)
As with most things in life (and radio contesting), you have to know your
audience and adapt to the changing condx.
I don't think there is one stock answer, so you need more than 1 tool in
your toolbox !
VE9AA...Mike
Mike, Coreen & Corey
Keswick Ridge, NB
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