[CQ-Contest] CQ-Contest Digest, Vol 228, Issue 6
Peter Krulewitch
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Mon Dec 6 14:23:39 EST 2021
I have a dog named Spot. Should I have him investigated?
W2LL
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> 1. Raw Scores Now On-Line -- CQ WW CW (John Dorr)
> 2. Re: Spoofed Spots (Christian Schneider)
> 3. Re: [RttyDigital] FT RoundUp (Zack Widup)
> 4. Re: Spoofed Spots (Hans Brakob)
> 5. Re: Spoofed Spots (Hans Brakob)
> 6. W0BH & XYL in the News (jimk8mr at aol.com)
> 7. Re: Spoofed Spots (Charles Gallo)
> 8. Re: W0BH & XYL in the News (jimk8mr at aol.com)
> 9. Re: Spoofed Spots (Jack Brindle)
> 10. Re: Spoofed Spots (Stan Stockton)
> 11. Re: Spoofed Spots (Jim Brown)
> 12. Re: Raw Scores Now On-Line -- CQ WW CW (Pete Smith N4ZR)
> 13. Re: Spoofed Spots (Pete Smith N4ZR)
> 14. Re: Spoofed Spots (Ron Notarius W3WN)
> 15. Re: Spoofed Spots (Chuck Dietz)
> 16. Re: Spoofed Spots (Jack Brindle)
> 17. Re: Spoofed Spots (Richard F DiDonna NN3W)
> 18. Re: Spoofed Spots (Pete Smith N4ZR)
> 19. Re: Spoofed Spots (Pete Smith N4ZR)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 16:10:55 -0500
> From: John Dorr <cqk1ar at gmail.com>
> To: CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Raw Scores Now On-Line -- CQ WW CW
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> The raw scores for the 2021 CQ WW CW contest are now online.
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> https://cqww.com/raw.htm?mode=cw
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> My thanks to the CQWW Contest Committee members responsible for getting
> this done in less than a week after the contest ended!
>
>
> 73, John, K1AR
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 11:33:41 +0100
> From: Christian Schneider <prickler.schneider at t-online.de>
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <5ad6f214-7038-d4fd-89ea-82c35c20a858 at t-online.de>
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> From the sideline:
> Do will still speak about a hobby or are we close to bring in FBI and
> the likes for spot fraud investigations?
> 73, Chris DL8MBS
>
>> Am 04.12.2021 um 22:26 schrieb Martin, LU5DX:
>> How does the ARRL validate the authenticity of the data uploaded to LoTW?
>> Same method could be applied here.
>> The network should only allow trafic from users who have completed KYC, and
>> authenticate with either, certificates SSH keys, 2FA, etc.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mart?n, LU5DX
>>
>> El s?b., 4 dic. 2021 13:34, Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com> escribi?:
>>
>>> Let's put things in perspective. Multi-billion dollar corporations can't
>>> stop Rachel from Cardholder Services. How are we going to stop this?
>>>
>>> Barry W2UP
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 11:29 AM Randy Thompson <k5zd at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 08:20:26 -0600
> From: Zack Widup <w9sz.zack at gmail.com>
> To: k9yc at arrl.net
> Cc: CQ Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] [RttyDigital] FT RoundUp
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> Gee, now I need some of that wine along with my Contesters coffee!
>
> https://www.theunseenbean.com/coffee/contesters
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
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>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 2:06 AM Jim Brown <k9yc at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>> It should be noted that Ed, a top RTTY contester and major force behind
>> integrating FT modes into contesting, owns and operates a winery and is
>> donating the wines. I live close enough to him to know him as a friend
>> and buy them by the case every year or so. Another top RTTY contester
>> and winery owner, WK6I, donates wine for CQP winners.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
>>> On 12/3/2021 8:32 PM, Ed Muns wrote:
>>> No, due to my failure to get the shipments out. The last wine shipments
>> were for the prior 10-Meter RTTY Contest. Mea Culpa, I will endeavor to
>> catch up. Too much volunteer responsibility on my plate, I guess.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Ed W0YK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: rttydigital at groups.io <rttydigital at groups.io> On Behalf Of Kermit
>> Lehman via groups.io
>>> Sent: 03 December, 2021 09:56
>>> To: rttydigital at groups.io; wsjtx at groups.io; cq-contest at contesting.com
>>> Subject: [RttyDigital] FT RoundUp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FT Roundup: Has anyone in the USA who's finished in the top ten in the
>> FT RoundUp ever gotten a bottle of wine?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just curious.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ken, AB1J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ed Muns, W0YK <ed at w0yk.com <mailto:ed at w0yk.com> >
>>> To: rttydigital at groups.io <mailto:rttydigital at groups.io> ;
>> wsjtx at groups.io <mailto:wsjtx at groups.io> ; 'CQ-Contest Reflector' <
>> cq-contest at contesting.com <mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com> >
>>> Cc: 'Don Hill AA5AU' <aa5au at bellsouth.net <mailto:aa5au at bellsouth.net> >
>>> Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2021 3:10 am
>>> Subject: Re: [RttyDigital] FT RoundUp Practice Sessions?
>>>
>>> Yes!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 0300-0359 UTC, Saturday, 4 December (that?s Friday evening NA time)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please use the suggested sub-bands the FT Roundup rules, so as not to
>> confuse and annoy the activity on the daily default FT8 frequencies:
>> https://www.rttycontesting.com/ft-roundup/rules/ FT4 was developed
>> exclusively for contesting so the overlap of these recommended sub-bands
>> with daily FT4 usage is acceptable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Despite 3 sub-bands being recommended on each major band, most activity
>> concentrates in the first sub-band which makes it harder for everyone to
>> make QSOs due to the congestion. The sooner we all, as a group, learn to
>> spread out to the other two sub-bands, the more fun it will be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> After the contest, please email your Cabrillo log file to:
>> ft8-ru at cqww.com <mailto:ft8-ru at cqww.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, Don AA5AU, would really appreciate any stories and photos from
>> your operation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have fun!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Ed W0YK
>>>
>>> Don AA4AU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: rttydigital at groups.io <mailto:rttydigital at groups.io> <
>> rttydigital at groups.io <mailto:rttydigital at groups.io> > On Behalf Of Dick-
>> K9OM via groups.io
>>> Sent: 01 December, 2021 10:33
>>> To: rttydigital at groups.io <mailto:rttydigital at groups.io>
>>> Subject: [RttyDigital] FT RoundUp Practice Sessions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there any practice sessions planned for this weekends FT RoundUp?
>>>
>>> Thanks & 73, Dick- K9OM
>>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 21:21:45 +0000
> From: Hans Brakob <kzerohb at gmail.com>
> To: Christian Schneider <prickler.schneider at t-online.de>,
> "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
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> Chris, it?s way more important than that.
>
> Interpol is needed. And on site detectives at all our stations.
>
>
>
> 73, de Hans, K?HB
> ?Just a Boy and his Radio??
> ________________________________
> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+kzerohb=gmail.com at contesting.com> on behalf of Christian Schneider <prickler.schneider at t-online.de>
> Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 4:33:41 AM
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
>
>> From the sideline:
> Do will still speak about a hobby or are we close to bring in FBI and
> the likes for spot fraud investigations?
> 73, Chris DL8MBS
>
>> Am 04.12.2021 um 22:26 schrieb Martin, LU5DX:
>> How does the ARRL validate the authenticity of the data uploaded to LoTW?
>> Same method could be applied here.
>> The network should only allow trafic from users who have completed KYC, and
>> authenticate with either, certificates SSH keys, 2FA, etc.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mart?n, LU5DX
>>
>> El s?b., 4 dic. 2021 13:34, Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com> escribi?:
>>
>>> Let's put things in perspective. Multi-billion dollar corporations can't
>>> stop Rachel from Cardholder Services. How are we going to stop this?
>>>
>>> Barry W2UP
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 11:29 AM Randy Thompson <k5zd at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 21:28:22 +0000
> From: Hans Brakob <kzerohb at gmail.com>
> To: Randy Thompson <k5zd at outlook.com>, Pete Smith N4ZR
> <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
> Cc: Tim Duffy <k3lr at k3lr.com>, reflector cq-contest
> <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
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> And if you do catch her, what will you do? Take away her birthday?
>
> 73, de Hans, K?HB
> ?Just a Boy and his Radio??
> ________________________________
> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+kzerohb=gmail.com at contesting.com> on behalf of Randy Thompson <k5zd at outlook.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 12:28:38 PM
> To: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
> Cc: Tim Duffy <k3lr at k3lr.com>; reflector cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
>
> This problem cannot be ?solved? without adding some level of authentication to the spotting system. Right now anyone can spot anything using any call.
>
> The WW Committee lacks subpoena power so it may not be able to ever identify the rogue spotter.
>
> K5ZD
>
>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Sorry, Tim, but I think a lot of us have a legitimate interest in seeing this solved, and being patted on the hand and told to sit down and be quiet doesn't go over well with me. I got a status report from K1AR, which is all I was looking for.
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>> web server at<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta.reversebeacon.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=7lCLI4Og98QlyiE%2BVraPpQsePSwljzRiI6P75%2BYnRSw%3D&reserved=0>.
>> For spots, please use your favorite
>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>
>>>> On 12/3/2021 9:18 PM, Tim Duffy wrote:
>>> Hello Pete
>>>
>>> What makes you think that nothing is being done? Do not worry.
>>>
>>> Be assured that the CQWW committee has this and many other issues well in hand
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Tim K3LR
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Pete Smith N4ZR
>>> Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 10:13 AM
>>> To: reflector cq-contest
>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
>>>
>>> I'm really surprised at the apparent disregard for VE7CC's report of
>>> spoofed spots and spoofed self-spots during CQWWCW, all seemingly traced
>>> to a single IP in Italy. After the first time this happened, a month
>>> earlier (CQWWSSB), we were assured that the committee had it in hand,
>>> with reliable reps in Italy pursuing the answer. Since then, nothing.
>>>
>>> How about a status report - if people can pull this sort of thing with
>>> impunity, it will certainly damage efforts to enforce the appropriate
>>> rule against self-spotting.
>>>
>>> To refresh memories:
>>>
>>> ">From the VE7CC-1 cluster log.
>>>
>>> 27 Nov total spoofed spots 599 out of 30018 non skimmer spots.
>>> 28 Nov total spoofed spots 1117 out of 30073 non skimmer spots.
>>> Total 1716 spoofed spots from IP 217.61.58.23 over weekend.
>>> Includes
>>> 203 self spots 27 Nov 2021
>>> 385 self spots 28 Nov 2021
>>>
>>> These spoofed spots are only the ones that I identified with IP 217.61.58.23.
>>> These spots were entered on both DX Spider and CC Cluster nodes. There could
>>> be more from AR Cluster or Spider nodes running software that doesn't include
>>> IP addresses.
>>>
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2FSelfSpot-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=xoqcCu7sSackHgyh1syNhol3nhuS%2BNrP3LMGtxCeDbo%3D&reserved=0
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2F27-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=99VqvStINvHlxk2M3puppARkDzzB3ZKMZvZZff6XdlM%3D&reserved=0
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2F28-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=MiiuQfN1wUu2nTTJxZYiIeta2OYIhEdx%2FWLJ9LcjbPU%3D&reserved=0
>>>
>>> Lee VE7CC"
>>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 22:16:56 +0000 (UTC)
> From: jimk8mr at aol.com
> To: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>,
> "qsoparty at groups.io" <qsoparty at groups.io>, "nccc-blue at groups.io"
> <nccc-blue at groups.io>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] W0BH & XYL in the News
> Message-ID: <415397224.3150388.1638742616653 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> I just caught a very nice article in the Washington Post about W0BH's XYL Lorna (who has been known to do some driving duty for Bob's mobile contest efforts) who has been working at a project aimed at helping restore the Kansas prairie.?
> There are a few mentions of Bob. No mention of him growing beverages, though there is a photo of Bob thinking about where a few of them ought to go.
>
> Kansas?s prairie is rapidly shrinking. Its future depends on private landowners like Lorna Harder. - The Washington Post
>
>
>
> 73? -? Jim? K8MR
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 17:30:37 -0500
> From: Charles Gallo <charlie at thegallos.com>
> To: reflector cq-contest <CQ-Contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <09D721F7-F2DE-4517-8717-E4528475EDCF at thegallos.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> And what, exactly prevents people from running an unauthorized spotting network not controlled by ?the authorities?
>
> --
> 73 de KG2V
> Charlie
>
>> On Dec 5, 2021, at 3:08 AM, Martin, LU5DX <lu5dx at lucg.com.ar> wrote:
>>
>> ?How does the ARRL validate the authenticity of the data uploaded to LoTW?
>> Same method could be applied here.
>> The network should only allow trafic from users who have completed KYC, and
>> authenticate with either, certificates SSH keys, 2FA, etc.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mart?n, LU5DX
>>
>> El s?b., 4 dic. 2021 13:34, Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com> escribi?:
>>
>>> Let's put things in perspective. Multi-billion dollar corporations can't
>>> stop Rachel from Cardholder Services. How are we going to stop this?
>>>
>>> Barry W2UP
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 11:29 AM Randy Thompson <k5zd at outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This problem cannot be ?solved? without adding some level of
>>>> authentication to the spotting system. Right now anyone can spot anything
>>>> using any call.
>>>>
>>>> The WW Committee lacks subpoena power so it may not be able to ever
>>>> identify the rogue spotter.
>>>>
>>>> K5ZD
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Sorry, Tim, but I think a lot of us have a legitimate interest in
>>>> seeing this solved, and being patted on the hand and told to sit down and
>>>> be quiet doesn't go over well with me. I got a status report from K1AR,
>>>> which is all I was looking for.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>>>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>>>>> web server at<
>>>>
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta.reversebeacon.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=7lCLI4Og98QlyiE%2BVraPpQsePSwljzRiI6P75%2BYnRSw%3D&reserved=0
>>>>> .
>>>>> For spots, please use your favorite
>>>>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/3/2021 9:18 PM, Tim Duffy wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Pete
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What makes you think that nothing is being done? Do not worry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Be assured that the CQWW committee has this and many other issues well
>>>> in hand
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73
>>>>>> Tim K3LR
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+k3lr=
>>>> k3lr.com at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Pete Smith N4ZR
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 10:13 AM
>>>>>> To: reflector cq-contest
>>>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm really surprised at the apparent disregard for VE7CC's report of
>>>>>> spoofed spots and spoofed self-spots during CQWWCW, all seemingly
>>> traced
>>>>>> to a single IP in Italy. After the first time this happened, a month
>>>>>> earlier (CQWWSSB), we were assured that the committee had it in hand,
>>>>>> with reliable reps in Italy pursuing the answer. Since then, nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about a status report - if people can pull this sort of thing with
>>>>>> impunity, it will certainly damage efforts to enforce the appropriate
>>>>>> rule against self-spotting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To refresh memories:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ">From the VE7CC-1 cluster log.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 27 Nov total spoofed spots 599 out of 30018 non skimmer spots.
>>>>>> 28 Nov total spoofed spots 1117 out of 30073 non skimmer spots.
>>>>>> Total 1716 spoofed spots from IP 217.61.58.23 over weekend.
>>>>>> Includes
>>>>>> 203 self spots 27 Nov 2021
>>>>>> 385 self spots 28 Nov 2021
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These spoofed spots are only the ones that I identified with IP
>>>> 217.61.58.23.
>>>>>> These spots were entered on both DX Spider and CC Cluster nodes.
>>> There
>>>> could
>>>>>> be more from AR Cluster or Spider nodes running software that doesn't
>>>> include
>>>>>> IP addresses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2FSelfSpot-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=xoqcCu7sSackHgyh1syNhol3nhuS%2BNrP3LMGtxCeDbo%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2F27-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=99VqvStINvHlxk2M3puppARkDzzB3ZKMZvZZff6XdlM%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2F28-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=MiiuQfN1wUu2nTTJxZYiIeta2OYIhEdx%2FWLJ9LcjbPU%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lee VE7CC"
>>>>>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 22:34:07 +0000 (UTC)
> From: jimk8mr at aol.com
> To: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] W0BH & XYL in the News
> Message-ID: <58397058.2942745.1638743648058 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> The reflector did not like the link to the article.?
> Let's try again:
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2021/11/30/kansas-shrinking-prairie/
>
>
>
> 73? -? Jim? ?K8MR
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: K8MR via CQ-Contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com <cq-contest at contesting.com>; qsoparty at groups.io <qsoparty at groups.io>; nccc-blue at groups.io <nccc-blue at groups.io>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 5, 2021 5:16 pm
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] W0BH & XYL in the News
>
> I just caught a very nice article in the Washington Post about W0BH's XYL Lorna (who has been known to do some driving duty for Bob's mobile contest efforts) who has been working at a project aimed at helping restore the Kansas prairie.?
> There are a few mentions of Bob. No mention of him growing beverages, though there is a photo of Bob thinking about where a few of them ought to go.
>
> Kansas?s prairie is rapidly shrinking. Its future depends on private landowners like Lorna Harder. - The Washington Post
>
>
>
> 73? -? Jim? K8MR
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 16:39:59 -0600
> From: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com>
> To: reflector cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <9E2F7EB4-C197-419A-A878-5E58A3FC28CA at me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Isn?t that the way it is supposed to be? Remember, the spotting system was created so that hams could alert other hams as to the availability of DX or other ?special? stations. We contesters discovered that it was an effective way to do the same during contests. It should not be difficult for individuals to spot stations for their fellow club members or others.
>
> In the years since it was created, we have put it to other uses, and greatly subverted it (or enhanced it depending on your perspective) by sending RBN spots into it and perhaps other information. As contesters, it is not ?ours? to change so that it won?t be useable for its original (and majority) use. It might be time for us to create a parallel system with required credentials and heavy authentication in order to post spots, but I suspect that will lead to a lot of complaints about club members not being able to spot the fellow members because they don?t have permission from the contests ?gods?.
>
> Or perhaps the real solution is to redefine things so that self-spotting is legal, or find some other solution so that it really is not big issue. Because of RBN I wonder if this is really a major problem on CW. At some point we will have an SSB solution that makes self-spotting just as much a non-issue there as on the digital modes (of which CW is one).
>
> 73,
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:28 PM, Randy Thompson <k5zd at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> This problem cannot be ?solved? without adding some level of authentication to the spotting system. Right now anyone can spot anything using any call.
>>
>> The WW Committee lacks subpoena power so it may not be able to ever identify the rogue spotter.
>>
>> K5ZD
>>
>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Sorry, Tim, but I think a lot of us have a legitimate interest in seeing this solved, and being patted on the hand and told to sit down and be quiet doesn't go over well with me. I got a status report from K1AR, which is all I was looking for.
>>>
>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>>> web server at<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta.reversebeacon.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=7lCLI4Og98QlyiE%2BVraPpQsePSwljzRiI6P75%2BYnRSw%3D&reserved=0>.
>>> For spots, please use your favorite
>>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>>
>>>> On 12/3/2021 9:18 PM, Tim Duffy wrote:
>>>> Hello Pete
>>>>
>>>> What makes you think that nothing is being done? Do not worry.
>>>>
>>>> Be assured that the CQWW committee has this and many other issues well in hand
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Tim K3LR
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces+k3lr=k3lr.com at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Pete Smith N4ZR
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 10:13 AM
>>>> To: reflector cq-contest
>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
>>>>
>>>> I'm really surprised at the apparent disregard for VE7CC's report of
>>>> spoofed spots and spoofed self-spots during CQWWCW, all seemingly traced
>>>> to a single IP in Italy. After the first time this happened, a month
>>>> earlier (CQWWSSB), we were assured that the committee had it in hand,
>>>> with reliable reps in Italy pursuing the answer. Since then, nothing.
>>>>
>>>> How about a status report - if people can pull this sort of thing with
>>>> impunity, it will certainly damage efforts to enforce the appropriate
>>>> rule against self-spotting.
>>>>
>>>> To refresh memories:
>>>>
>>>> ">From the VE7CC-1 cluster log.
>>>>
>>>> 27 Nov total spoofed spots 599 out of 30018 non skimmer spots.
>>>> 28 Nov total spoofed spots 1117 out of 30073 non skimmer spots.
>>>> Total 1716 spoofed spots from IP 217.61.58.23 over weekend.
>>>> Includes
>>>> 203 self spots 27 Nov 2021
>>>> 385 self spots 28 Nov 2021
>>>>
>>>> These spoofed spots are only the ones that I identified with IP 217.61.58.23.
>>>> These spots were entered on both DX Spider and CC Cluster nodes. There could
>>>> be more from AR Cluster or Spider nodes running software that doesn't include
>>>> IP addresses.
>>>>
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2FSelfSpot-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=xoqcCu7sSackHgyh1syNhol3nhuS%2BNrP3LMGtxCeDbo%3D&reserved=0
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2F27-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=99VqvStINvHlxk2M3puppARkDzzB3ZKMZvZZff6XdlM%3D&reserved=0
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbcdxc.org%2Fve7cc%2F28-Nov-2021.zip&data=04%7C01%7C%7C342011c994fc4b6ec51e08d9b74c8390%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637742361523486555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=MiiuQfN1wUu2nTTJxZYiIeta2OYIhEdx%2FWLJ9LcjbPU%3D&reserved=0
>>>>
>>>> Lee VE7CC"
>>>>
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>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 19:17:20 -0500
> From: Stan Stockton <wa5rtg at gmail.com>
> To: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
> Cc: reflector cq-contest <CQ-Contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <2BBBEDB5-D254-41BE-950C-54995E5A7902 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> ?I have no idea how any manual internet spots are of any value whatsoever on CW. If you call CQ you are instantly spotted by every skimmer in the world who detects your signal. You are essentially ?self spotting? if you call CQ.
>
> How much perceived benefit is imagined for any number of internet spots, real or otherwise as compared to maybe 10,000 real spots created by the simple task of pressing F1 throughout a contest?
>
> Stan, K5GO/ZF9CW
>
>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 12:03 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?I'm really surprised at the apparent disregard for VE7CC's report of spoofed spots and spoofed self-spots during CQWWCW, all seemingly traced to a single IP in Italy. After the first time this happened, a month earlier (CQWWSSB), we were assured that the committee had it in hand, with reliable reps in Italy pursuing the answer. Since then, nothing.
>>
>> How about a status report - if people can pull this sort of thing with impunity, it will certainly damage efforts to enforce the appropriate rule against self-spotting.
>>
>> To refresh memories:
>>
>> ">From the VE7CC-1 cluster log.
>>
>> 27 Nov total spoofed spots 599 out of 30018 non skimmer spots.
>> 28 Nov total spoofed spots 1117 out of 30073 non skimmer spots.
>> Total 1716 spoofed spots from IP 217.61.58.23 over weekend.
>> Includes
>> 203 self spots 27 Nov 2021
>> 385 self spots 28 Nov 2021
>>
>> These spoofed spots are only the ones that I identified with IP 217.61.58.23.
>> These spots were entered on both DX Spider and CC Cluster nodes. There could
>> be more from AR Cluster or Spider nodes running software that doesn't include
>> IP addresses.
>>
>> https://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/SelfSpot-Nov-2021.zip
>> http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/27-Nov-2021.zip
>> http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/28-Nov-2021.zip
>>
>> Lee VE7CC"
>>
>> --
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
>> For spots, please use your favorite
>> "retail" DX cluster.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
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>
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 16:43:23 -0800
> From: Jim Brown <k9yc at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID:
> <3308b447-cdad-9abc-90d7-a6d9595fe7e2 at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>> On 12/5/2021 2:39 PM, Jack Brindle via CQ-Contest wrote:
>> Isn?t that the way it is supposed to be? Remember, the spotting system was created so that hams could alert other hams as to the availability of DX or other ?special? stations. We contesters discovered that it was an effective way to do the same during contests.
>
> I wasn't active at the time, but I've been told on good authority that
> the spotting network was developed BY the contesting community, not the
> DX community.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 21:26:37 -0500
> From: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Raw Scores Now On-Line -- CQ WW CW
> Message-ID: <aa013ddd-c26d-adea-a728-75676bfa7934 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Nicely done, indeed.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
>> On 12/5/2021 4:10 PM, John Dorr wrote:
>> The raw scores for the 2021 CQ WW CW contest are now online.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://cqww.com/raw.htm?mode=cw
>>
>>
>>
>> My thanks to the CQWW Contest Committee members responsible for getting
>> this done in less than a week after the contest ended!
>>
>>
>> 73, John, K1AR
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 21:36:55 -0500
> From: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <2e94a62c-67b8-5650-a291-64cc86d8f76e at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Does nobody remember, just a few years ago, that the CQWW Committee
> dispatched observers to physically look over the shoulders of
> top-scoring ops.? Fortunately, once was enough.? Also, let's not
> overstate the problem.? RBN spots are not affected (at least not so
> far), and on CW they account for over 99 percent of total spots.
>
> What we need, particularly on SSB, is either the unmasking of the
> perpetrator - if it's just one - or implementation of IP-based blocking
> of spoofed spots as soon as they are detected.? I've been told that AR
> Custer V6 nodes don't record the IPs of spot sources, which might
> require a little piece of middleware to log the IPs and block spots from
> questionable IPs.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
>> On 12/5/2021 4:21 PM, Hans Brakob wrote:
>> Chris, it?s way more important than that.
>>
>> Interpol is needed. And on site detectives at all our stations.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73, de Hans, K?HB
>> ?Just a Boy and his Radio??
>> ________________________________
>> From: CQ-Contest<cq-contest-bounces+kzerohb=gmail.com at contesting.com> on behalf of Christian Schneider<prickler.schneider at t-online.de>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 4:33:41 AM
>> To:cq-contest at contesting.com <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
>>
>>> From the sideline:
>> Do will still speak about a hobby or are we close to bring in FBI and
>> the likes for spot fraud investigations?
>> 73, Chris DL8MBS
>>
>>> Am 04.12.2021 um 22:26 schrieb Martin, LU5DX:
>>> How does the ARRL validate the authenticity of the data uploaded to LoTW?
>>> Same method could be applied here.
>>> The network should only allow trafic from users who have completed KYC, and
>>> authenticate with either, certificates SSH keys, 2FA, etc.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Mart?n, LU5DX
>>>
>>> El s?b., 4 dic. 2021 13:34, Barry W2UP<w2up.co at gmail.com> escribi?:
>>>
>>>> Let's put things in perspective. Multi-billion dollar corporations can't
>>>> stop Rachel from Cardholder Services. How are we going to stop this?
>>>>
>>>> Barry W2UP
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 11:29 AM Randy Thompson<k5zd at outlook.com> wrote:
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 03:18:35 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
> To: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <1723879630.6195334.1638760715797 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> First and last comment on the issue:
> I don't like the spoofed spots any more than the next ham.??
> But you do all realize that the discord that this discussion has generated is exactly the type of disruption that the miscreant(s) were hoping for?
> The Contest Committee is aware of the problem.? Committee members have stated that no one's entry will be penalized by the spoofed spots.? That should be the end of it.
> The nature of the spotting network means that this type of disruptive behavior is possible... and no doubt, once the miscreants get wind of the current fru-frau, will happen again.
> So either we institute a massive, unpopular overhaul of the entire system... which will only make it more difficult for the miscreants, I'm sure, sad to say... or we learn to live with it.? The same way we live with carriers, tuner-uppers, the-net-is-always-on-this-frequency-every-day-even-though-it won't-start-for another-12-hours, and so forth.? We recognize that these are the efforts of miscreants who for whatever reason wish to disrupt our contests, ignore them, and move on.
> Let's not tie ourselves up in knots over this.
> 73, ron w3wn
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 21:27:35 -0600
> From: Chuck Dietz <w5prchuck at gmail.com>
> To: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
> Cc: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID:
> <CAOk0j18jwBdS1xCSm-WSCM2arT-bPD5m29KWPs2K8R8bZxSkEQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> I liked it better when the FBI was going to look into it.
>
> Chuck W5PR
>
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 9:24 PM Ron Notarius W3WN via CQ-Contest <
> cq-contest at contesting.com> wrote:
>
>> First and last comment on the issue:
>> I don't like the spoofed spots any more than the next ham.
>> But you do all realize that the discord that this discussion has generated
>> is exactly the type of disruption that the miscreant(s) were hoping for?
>> The Contest Committee is aware of the problem. Committee members have
>> stated that no one's entry will be penalized by the spoofed spots. That
>> should be the end of it.
>> The nature of the spotting network means that this type of disruptive
>> behavior is possible... and no doubt, once the miscreants get wind of the
>> current fru-frau, will happen again.
>> So either we institute a massive, unpopular overhaul of the entire
>> system... which will only make it more difficult for the miscreants, I'm
>> sure, sad to say... or we learn to live with it. The same way we live with
>> carriers, tuner-uppers,
>> the-net-is-always-on-this-frequency-every-day-even-though-it
>> won't-start-for another-12-hours, and so forth. We recognize that these
>> are the efforts of miscreants who for whatever reason wish to disrupt our
>> contests, ignore them, and move on.
>> Let's not tie ourselves up in knots over this.
>> 73, ron w3wn
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 22:44:46 -0600
> From: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com>
> To: Brown Jim <k9yc at arrl.net>
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <A2091408-8A20-4296-B125-AA131F043222 at me.com>
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> I _was_ there, very active in the creation of packet radio and its uses. There is a reason the software system was named ?DX Cluster?.
> We carried a lot of DX Cluster packets on the GRAPES 56K network between 1985 and 1990.
>
> 73,
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
>> On Dec 5, 2021, at 6:43 PM, Jim Brown <k9yc at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 12/5/2021 2:39 PM, Jack Brindle via CQ-Contest wrote:
>>> Isn?t that the way it is supposed to be? Remember, the spotting system was created so that hams could alert other hams as to the availability of DX or other ?special? stations. We contesters discovered that it was an effective way to do the same during contests.
>>
>> I wasn't active at the time, but I've been told on good authority that the spotting network was developed BY the contesting community, not the DX community.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 06:02:00 -0500
> From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w at gmail.com>
> To: Stan Stockton <wa5rtg at gmail.com>
> Cc: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>, reflector cq-contest
> <CQ-Contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID:
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> A goodly number of users out there have skimmer spots turned off and
> only rely on "human" spots.
>
> 73 Rich NN3W
>
>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 10:22 PM Stan Stockton <wa5rtg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea how any manual internet spots are of any value whatsoever
>> on CW. If you call CQ you are instantly spotted by every skimmer in the
>> world who detects your signal. You are essentially ?self spotting? if you
>> call CQ.
>>
>> How much perceived benefit is imagined for any number of internet spots,
>> real or otherwise as compared to maybe 10,000 real spots created by the
>> simple task of pressing F1 throughout a contest?
>>
>> Stan, K5GO/ZF9CW
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 12:03 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I'm really surprised at the apparent disregard for VE7CC's report of
>> spoofed spots and spoofed self-spots during CQWWCW, all seemingly traced to
>> a single IP in Italy. After the first time this happened, a month earlier
>> (CQWWSSB), we were assured that the committee had it in hand, with reliable
>> reps in Italy pursuing the answer. Since then, nothing.
>>>
>>> How about a status report - if people can pull this sort of thing with
>> impunity, it will certainly damage efforts to enforce the appropriate rule
>> against self-spotting.
>>>
>>> To refresh memories:
>>>
>>> ">From the VE7CC-1 cluster log.
>>>
>>> 27 Nov total spoofed spots 599 out of 30018 non skimmer spots.
>>> 28 Nov total spoofed spots 1117 out of 30073 non skimmer spots.
>>> Total 1716 spoofed spots from IP 217.61.58.23 over weekend.
>>> Includes
>>> 203 self spots 27 Nov 2021
>>> 385 self spots 28 Nov 2021
>>>
>>> These spoofed spots are only the ones that I identified with IP
>> 217.61.58.23.
>>> These spots were entered on both DX Spider and CC Cluster nodes. There
>> could
>>> be more from AR Cluster or Spider nodes running software that doesn't
>> include
>>> IP addresses.
>>>
>>> https://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/SelfSpot-Nov-2021.zip
>>> http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/27-Nov-2021.zip
>>> http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/28-Nov-2021.zip
>>>
>>> Lee VE7CC"
>>>
>>> --
>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>>> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
>>> For spots, please use your favorite
>>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
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> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 09:23:33 -0500
> From: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
> To: cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <dbbe8d1a-b991-d904-81a1-45c99c4d38b0 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> I think it is fair to say that both were involved pretty much from the
> start.? PVRC was an early and active participant
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
>> On 12/5/2021 7:43 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On 12/5/2021 2:39 PM, Jack Brindle via CQ-Contest wrote:
>>> Isn?t that the way it is supposed to be? Remember, the spotting
>>> system was created so that hams could alert other hams as to the
>>> availability of DX or other ?special?? stations. We contesters
>>> discovered that it was an effective way to do the same during contests.
>>
>> I wasn't active at the time, but I've been told on good authority that
>> the spotting network was developed BY the contesting community, not
>> the DX community.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> _______________________________________________
>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 09:21:35 -0500
> From: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
> To: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w at gmail.com>, Stan Stockton
> <wa5rtg at gmail.com>
> Cc: reflector cq-contest <CQ-Contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spoofed Spots
> Message-ID: <0dd8ecc7-250e-14e9-4c0e-4c564186fd78 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Really?? for CW?? Then they are forgoing 99 percent of spots.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
>> On 12/6/2021 6:02 AM, Richard F DiDonna NN3W wrote:
>> A goodly number of users out there have skimmer spots turned off and
>> only?rely on "human" spots.
>>
>> 73 Rich NN3W
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 10:22 PM Stan Stockton <wa5rtg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea how any manual internet spots are of any value
>> whatsoever on CW.? If you call CQ you are instantly spotted by
>> every skimmer in the world who detects your signal.? You are
>> essentially ?self spotting? if you call CQ.
>>
>> How much perceived benefit is imagined for any number of internet
>> spots, real or otherwise as compared to maybe 10,000 real spots
>> created by the simple task of pressing F1 throughout a contest?
>>
>> Stan, K5GO/ZF9CW
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 12:03 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR
>> <pete.n4zr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I'm really surprised at the apparent disregard for VE7CC's
>> report of spoofed spots and spoofed self-spots during CQWWCW, all
>> seemingly traced to a single IP in Italy.? After the first time
>> this happened, a month earlier (CQWWSSB), we were assured that the
>> committee had it in hand, with reliable reps in Italy pursuing the
>> answer.? Since then, nothing.
>>>
>>> How about a status report - if people can pull this sort of
>> thing with impunity, it will certainly damage efforts to enforce
>> the appropriate rule against self-spotting.
>>>
>>> To refresh memories:
>>>
>>> ">From the VE7CC-1 cluster log.
>>>
>>> 27 Nov total spoofed spots 599 out of 30018? non skimmer spots.
>>> 28 Nov total spoofed spots 1117 out of? 30073 non skimmer spots.
>>> Total 1716 spoofed spots from IP 217.61.58.23 over weekend.
>>> Includes
>>> 203 self spots 27 Nov 2021
>>> 385 self spots 28 Nov 2021
>>>
>>> These spoofed spots are only the ones that I identified with IP
>> 217.61.58.23.
>>> These spots were entered on both DX Spider and CC Cluster
>> nodes.? There could
>>> be more from AR Cluster or Spider nodes running software that
>> doesn't include
>>> IP addresses.
>>>
>>> https://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/SelfSpot-Nov-2021.zip
>>> http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/27-Nov-2021.zip
>>> http://bcdxc.org/ve7cc/28-Nov-2021.zip
>>>
>>> Lee VE7CC"
>>>
>>> --
>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>>> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
>>> For spots, please use your favorite
>>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
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