[CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County

[Mark - N5OT]

Good question Ed.

Mike I think you're stretching that mic cord to the point where it 
breaks.  I decline to pin a conclusion on the personal opinion of one 
Canadian radio inspector.

The real questions for contest operations would be about whether or not 
the control operator really is present, and whether or not that control 
operator is actually controlling the operations. Even so, if I let my 
unlicensed daughter operate, she can't exactly enter the CQWW like 
that.  If I let some ham from another country who is not licensed in the 
USA use my station via remote control, not sure that op can enter CQWW.

Frankly, CQ and ARRL should simply weigh in with their positions on this 
question and tell us what it is.  I bet there is very little gray to it 
at all.

73 - Mark N5OT


On 7/14/2021 8:40 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> Hi Edward
>
> The challenge is, of course, the regulations have not kept up to
> technology.
>
> In Canada, I had an Radio Inspector describe remote HF operation as a long
> Mic cord.  There are no laws that say the operator has to be sitting in the
> same room as the radio station.  You are still governed by the laws based
> on the location of the physical transmitter.
>
> Reciprocal licensing only comes into play if you want to use your callsign
> while operating from a foreign country.  It does not apply if you are guest
> operating (which is what this is).  In fact, you can be a guest operator
> without having a license as long as another correctly licensed ham is in
> complete control of the station.
>
> 73, Mike va3mw
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:09 AM Edward Sawyer <
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually I don’t believe you are correct.  When you are “in person” in the
>> country, you are governed by the reciprocal licensing of the 2 countries
>> for people visiting.  There is nothing in that normal language that
>> discussing doing that virtually for most countries (maybe some have added
>> language – not sure).  An internet connection does not make you “in the
>> country”.  Which is a good thing for tax purposes….
>>
>>
>>
>> This is in fact the question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed  N1UR
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2021 8:03 AM
>> *To:* Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>
>> *Cc:* cq-contest at contesting.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
>>
>>
>>
>> This would be the same if I visited from Canada to the US and visited
>> someones station and operated a contest from their callsign.  Nothing wrong
>> with that as long as it doesn't exceed the terms of my license.   Think of
>> it as a long mic cord.  :)
>>
>>
>>
>> The question is can I 'keep' the QSO's in my person log?
>>
>>
>>
>> Good question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike va3mw
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:13 PM Edward Sawyer <
>> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
>>
>> I continue to see postings of scores by a ham outside the US operating a
>> US based remote site.  The hams do not have their own US callsign and
>> "borrow" someone else's callsign from the US.  I am pretty sure this is an
>> illegal operation in the US.  Am I missing something?  Its happening pretty
>> much every contest now.
>>
>> Ed  N1UR
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