[CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
Drew Vonada-Smith
drew at whisperingwoods.org
Wed Jul 14 12:13:07 EDT 2021
I'd note the following re Ed's question. Rather than commenting on what you think is the case, or what makes sense that it *should be*, please ACTUALLY READ the regulations. There is a specific note about control operators and the scenario Ed describes as NOT PERMITTED for remote operation specifically. The ARRL Q&A also makes note of it.
73,
Drew K3PA
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 00:08:11 +0000
From: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>
To: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
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I continue to see postings of scores by a ham outside the US operating a US based remote site. The hams do not have their own US callsign and "borrow" someone else's callsign from the US. I am pretty sure this is an illegal operation in the US. Am I missing something? Its happening pretty much every contest now.
Ed N1UR
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 08:03:22 -0400
From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
To: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>
Cc: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
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This would be the same if I visited from Canada to the US and visited someones station and operated a contest from their callsign. Nothing wrong
with that as long as it doesn't exceed the terms of my license. Think of
it as a long mic cord. :)
The question is can I 'keep' the QSO's in my person log?
Good question.
Mike va3mw
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:13 PM Edward Sawyer < EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
> I continue to see postings of scores by a ham outside the US operating
> a US based remote site. The hams do not have their own US callsign
> and "borrow" someone else's callsign from the US. I am pretty sure
> this is an illegal operation in the US. Am I missing something? Its
> happening pretty much every contest now.
>
> Ed N1UR
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 12:09:26 +0000
From: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>
To: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
Cc: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
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Actually I don?t believe you are correct. When you are ?in person? in the country, you are governed by the reciprocal licensing of the 2 countries for people visiting. There is nothing in that normal language that discussing doing that virtually for most countries (maybe some have added language ? not sure). An internet connection does not make you ?in the country?. Which is a good thing for tax purposes?.
This is in fact the question.
Ed N1UR
From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 8:03 AM
To: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>
Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
This would be the same if I visited from Canada to the US and visited someones station and operated a contest from their callsign. Nothing wrong with that as long as it doesn't exceed the terms of my license. Think of it as a long mic cord. :)
The question is can I 'keep' the QSO's in my person log?
Good question.
Mike va3mw
On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:13 PM Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com<mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>> wrote:
I continue to see postings of scores by a ham outside the US operating a US based remote site. The hams do not have their own US callsign and "borrow" someone else's callsign from the US. I am pretty sure this is an illegal operation in the US. Am I missing something? Its happening pretty much every contest now.
Ed N1UR
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 07:33:26 -0600
From: Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com>
To: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
Cc: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>,
"cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
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Not the same, unless there's a control op present.
I've done some remote multis and the foreign ops always had their own US license/callsign.
Barry W2UP
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:12 AM Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> This would be the same if I visited from Canada to the US and visited
> someones station and operated a contest from their callsign. Nothing wrong
> with that as long as it doesn't exceed the terms of my license. Think of
> it as a long mic cord. :)
>
> The question is can I 'keep' the QSO's in my person log?
>
> Good question.
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:13 PM Edward Sawyer <
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
>
> > I continue to see postings of scores by a ham outside the US
> > operating a US based remote site. The hams do not have their own US
> > callsign and "borrow" someone else's callsign from the US. I am
> > pretty sure this is
> an
> > illegal operation in the US. Am I missing something? Its happening
> pretty
> > much every contest now.
> >
> > Ed N1UR
> > _______________________________________________
> > CQ-Contest mailing list
> > CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
> >
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:40:58 -0400
From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
To: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>
Cc: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
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Hi Edward
The challenge is, of course, the regulations have not kept up to technology.
In Canada, I had an Radio Inspector describe remote HF operation as a long Mic cord. There are no laws that say the operator has to be sitting in the same room as the radio station. You are still governed by the laws based on the location of the physical transmitter.
Reciprocal licensing only comes into play if you want to use your callsign while operating from a foreign country. It does not apply if you are guest operating (which is what this is). In fact, you can be a guest operator without having a license as long as another correctly licensed ham is in complete control of the station.
73, Mike va3mw
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:09 AM Edward Sawyer < EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
> Actually I don?t believe you are correct. When you are ?in person? in
> the country, you are governed by the reciprocal licensing of the 2
> countries for people visiting. There is nothing in that normal
> language that discussing doing that virtually for most countries
> (maybe some have added language ? not sure). An internet connection
> does not make you ?in the country?. Which is a good thing for tax purposes?.
>
>
>
> This is in fact the question.
>
>
>
> Ed N1UR
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2021 8:03 AM
> *To:* Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>
> *Cc:* cq-contest at contesting.com
> *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
>
>
>
> This would be the same if I visited from Canada to the US and visited
> someones station and operated a contest from their callsign. Nothing wrong
> with that as long as it doesn't exceed the terms of my license. Think of
> it as a long mic cord. :)
>
>
>
> The question is can I 'keep' the QSO's in my person log?
>
>
>
> Good question.
>
>
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:13 PM Edward Sawyer <
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
>
> I continue to see postings of scores by a ham outside the US operating
> a US based remote site. The hams do not have their own US callsign
> and "borrow" someone else's callsign from the US. I am pretty sure
> this is an illegal operation in the US. Am I missing something? Its
> happening pretty much every contest now.
>
> Ed N1UR
> _______________________________________________
> CQ-Contest mailing list
> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:49:53 -0400
From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w at gmail.com>
To: Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>, Edward Sawyer
<EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>, "cq-contest at contesting.com"
<cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
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They've had their own callsigns, but was their license class commensurate with the frequencies on which they were operating?
73 Rich NN3W
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:43 AM Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com> wrote:
> Not the same, unless there's a control op present.
>
> I've done some remote multis and the foreign ops always had their own
> US license/callsign.
>
> Barry W2UP
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:12 AM Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
> wrote:
>
> > This would be the same if I visited from Canada to the US and
> > visited someones station and operated a contest from their callsign.
> > Nothing
> wrong
> > with that as long as it doesn't exceed the terms of my license. Think
> of
> > it as a long mic cord. :)
> >
> > The question is can I 'keep' the QSO's in my person log?
> >
> > Good question.
> >
> > Mike va3mw
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:13 PM Edward Sawyer <
> > EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I continue to see postings of scores by a ham outside the US
> > > operating
> a
> > > US based remote site. The hams do not have their own US callsign
> > > and "borrow" someone else's callsign from the US. I am pretty
> > > sure this is
> > an
> > > illegal operation in the US. Am I missing something? Its
> > > happening
> > pretty
> > > much every contest now.
> > >
> > > Ed N1UR
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > CQ-Contest mailing list
> > > CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
> > >
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 08:53:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bruce Horn <bhorn at hornucopia.com>
To: cq-contest <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
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Some references:
>From N0AX's Ham Radio for Dummies:
License authority: You have to be licensed at the location of the transmitted signal. Some U.S. hams have set up stations in other countries or in other areas of the world, such as the Caribbean. This requires either a local license or a reciprocal operating permit. You can find out more about either of those at the ARRL?s web page for International Operating. Some types of operating permission require you to be physically present in the licensing country, so be sure to read the fine print!
>From K6UFO's presentation on remote operating:
US Station, with Operator outside of US:
Operator must be ?licensed? by a US License, bilateral, reciprocal, IARP agreement or CEPT T/R 61-01. The call sign used must always indicate the location of the transmitter.
73 de Bruce, WA7BNM (bhorn at hornucopia.com)
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From: "Michael Walker" <va3mw at portcredit.net>
To: "Edward Sawyer" <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>
Cc: "cq-contest" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 6:40:58 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
Hi Edward
The challenge is, of course, the regulations have not kept up to technology.
In Canada, I had an Radio Inspector describe remote HF operation as a long Mic cord. There are no laws that say the operator has to be sitting in the same room as the radio station. You are still governed by the laws based on the location of the physical transmitter.
Reciprocal licensing only comes into play if you want to use your callsign while operating from a foreign country. It does not apply if you are guest operating (which is what this is). In fact, you can be a guest operator without having a license as long as another correctly licensed ham is in complete control of the station.
73, Mike va3mw
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:09 AM Edward Sawyer < EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
> Actually I don?t believe you are correct. When you are ?in person? in
> the country, you are governed by the reciprocal licensing of the 2
> countries for people visiting. There is nothing in that normal
> language that discussing doing that virtually for most countries
> (maybe some have added language ? not sure). An internet connection
> does not make you ?in the country?. Which is a good thing for tax purposes?.
>
>
>
> This is in fact the question.
>
>
>
> Ed N1UR
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2021 8:03 AM
> *To:* Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>
> *Cc:* cq-contest at contesting.com
> *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
>
>
>
> This would be the same if I visited from Canada to the US and visited
> someones station and operated a contest from their callsign. Nothing wrong
> with that as long as it doesn't exceed the terms of my license. Think of
> it as a long mic cord. :)
>
>
>
> The question is can I 'keep' the QSO's in my person log?
>
>
>
> Good question.
>
>
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:13 PM Edward Sawyer <
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
>
> I continue to see postings of scores by a ham outside the US operating
> a US based remote site. The hams do not have their own US callsign
> and "borrow" someone else's callsign from the US. I am pretty sure
> this is an illegal operation in the US. Am I missing something? Its
> happening pretty much every contest now.
>
> Ed N1UR
> _______________________________________________
> CQ-Contest mailing list
> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 10:08:08 -0400
From: Vincent Weal <vincek4jc at gmail.com>
To: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Egggggactly
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That article cracked me up.
73,
Vince K4JC
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:13 AM Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com> wrote:
> I wonder who hatched this idea? Could this be the future of contest
> station building? With two operating positions per band X six bands I
> wonder if there is an optional egg carton available??
>
>
> https://www.techradar.com/news/you-could-soon-be-playing-pc-games-from
> -this-bizarre-looking-egg-pod?utm_source=Selligent&utm_medium=email&ut
> m_campaign=20210714_TCR_NWL_DAILY_Currys&utm_content=20210714_TCR_NWL_
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> _BT=9103160202202
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Gary K9GS
>
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:10:13 -0500
From: Mark - N5OT <r-emails at n5ot.com>
To: "cq-contest at contesting.com" <cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
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Good question Ed.
Mike I think you're stretching that mic cord to the point where it breaks.? I decline to pin a conclusion on the personal opinion of one Canadian radio inspector.
The real questions for contest operations would be about whether or not the control operator really is present, and whether or not that control operator is actually controlling the operations. Even so, if I let my unlicensed daughter operate, she can't exactly enter the CQWW like that.? If I let some ham from another country who is not licensed in the USA use my station via remote control, not sure that op can enter CQWW.
Frankly, CQ and ARRL should simply weigh in with their positions on this question and tell us what it is.? I bet there is very little gray to it at all.
73 - Mark N5OT
On 7/14/2021 8:40 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> Hi Edward
>
> The challenge is, of course, the regulations have not kept up to
> technology.
>
> In Canada, I had an Radio Inspector describe remote HF operation as a
> long Mic cord. There are no laws that say the operator has to be
> sitting in the same room as the radio station. You are still governed
> by the laws based on the location of the physical transmitter.
>
> Reciprocal licensing only comes into play if you want to use your
> callsign while operating from a foreign country. It does not apply if
> you are guest operating (which is what this is). In fact, you can be
> a guest operator without having a license as long as another correctly
> licensed ham is in complete control of the station.
>
> 73, Mike va3mw
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:09 AM Edward Sawyer <
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually I don?t believe you are correct. When you are ?in person?
>> in the country, you are governed by the reciprocal licensing of the 2
>> countries for people visiting. There is nothing in that normal
>> language that discussing doing that virtually for most countries
>> (maybe some have added language ? not sure). An internet connection
>> does not make you ?in the country?. Which is a good thing for tax purposes?.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is in fact the question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed N1UR
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2021 8:03 AM
>> *To:* Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>
>> *Cc:* cq-contest at contesting.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
>>
>>
>>
>> This would be the same if I visited from Canada to the US and visited
>> someones station and operated a contest from their callsign. Nothing wrong
>> with that as long as it doesn't exceed the terms of my license. Think of
>> it as a long mic cord. :)
>>
>>
>>
>> The question is can I 'keep' the QSO's in my person log?
>>
>>
>>
>> Good question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike va3mw
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:13 PM Edward Sawyer <
>> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
>>
>> I continue to see postings of scores by a ham outside the US
>> operating a US based remote site. The hams do not have their own US
>> callsign and "borrow" someone else's callsign from the US. I am
>> pretty sure this is an illegal operation in the US. Am I missing
>> something? Its happening pretty much every contest now.
>>
>> Ed N1UR
>> _______________________________________________
>> CQ-Contest mailing list
>> CQ-Contest at contesting.com
>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 09:23:29 -0500
From: Joe <nss at mwt.net>
To: Gary K9GS <k9gs at gjschwartz.com>, "cq-contest at contesting.com"
<cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Egggggactly
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I can't find a price anywhere!
Joe WB9SBD
On 7/14/2021 7:47 AM, Gary K9GS wrote:
> I wonder who hatched this idea? Could this be the future of contest station building? With two operating positions per band X six bands I wonder if there is an optional egg carton available??
>
> https://www.techradar.com/news/you-could-soon-be-playing-pc-games-from
> -this-bizarre-looking-egg-pod?utm_source=Selligent&utm_medium=email&ut
> m_campaign=20210714_TCR_NWL_DAILY_Currys&utm_content=20210714_TCR_NWL_
> DAILY_Currys+&utm_term=4266732&m_i=szpsNrVtaUUoefMZDmixpI_upRos5Lsm%2B
> N%2BlPqrgwvhM5dRtD19A72dS0G5m85VHWgx7pMMTEyVir%2BoADNoXBL_pGhZW_lXssq&
> lrh=de6f3e713a120d9201d1f788a6bf0e0a7858103add451cfa33c7d7855a60ef8f&M
> _BT=9103160202202
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Gary K9GS
>
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 15:56:16 +0000
From: Randy Thompson <k5zd at outlook.com>
To: Mark - N5OT <r-emails at n5ot.com>, "cq-contest at contesting.com"
<cq-contest at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
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This is not a CQ or ARRL contest issue. It is a government regulations issue. It is also one where you may not want to ask the question and get and answer you did not expect...
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Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 10:10 AM
To: cq-contest at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
Good question Ed.
Mike I think you're stretching that mic cord to the point where it breaks.? I decline to pin a conclusion on the personal opinion of one Canadian radio inspector.
The real questions for contest operations would be about whether or not the control operator really is present, and whether or not that control operator is actually controlling the operations. Even so, if I let my unlicensed daughter operate, she can't exactly enter the CQWW like that.? If I let some ham from another country who is not licensed in the USA use my station via remote control, not sure that op can enter CQWW.
Frankly, CQ and ARRL should simply weigh in with their positions on this question and tell us what it is.? I bet there is very little gray to it at all.
73 - Mark N5OT
On 7/14/2021 8:40 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> Hi Edward
>
> The challenge is, of course, the regulations have not kept up to
> technology.
>
> In Canada, I had an Radio Inspector describe remote HF operation as a
> long Mic cord. There are no laws that say the operator has to be
> sitting in the same room as the radio station. You are still governed
> by the laws based on the location of the physical transmitter.
>
> Reciprocal licensing only comes into play if you want to use your
> callsign while operating from a foreign country. It does not apply if
> you are guest operating (which is what this is). In fact, you can be
> a guest operator without having a license as long as another correctly
> licensed ham is in complete control of the station.
>
> 73, Mike va3mw
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:09 AM Edward Sawyer <
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually I don't believe you are correct. When you are "in person"
>> in the country, you are governed by the reciprocal licensing of the 2
>> countries for people visiting. There is nothing in that normal
>> language that discussing doing that virtually for most countries
>> (maybe some have added language - not sure). An internet connection
>> does not make you "in the country". Which is a good thing for tax purposes..
>>
>>
>>
>> This is in fact the question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed N1UR
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2021 8:03 AM
>> *To:* Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>
>> *Cc:* cq-contest at contesting.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
>>
>>
>>
>> This would be the same if I visited from Canada to the US and visited
>> someones station and operated a contest from their callsign. Nothing wrong
>> with that as long as it doesn't exceed the terms of my license. Think of
>> it as a long mic cord. :)
>>
>>
>>
>> The question is can I 'keep' the QSO's in my person log?
>>
>>
>>
>> Good question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike va3mw
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:13 PM Edward Sawyer <
>> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
>>
>> I continue to see postings of scores by a ham outside the US
>> operating a US based remote site. The hams do not have their own US
>> callsign and "borrow" someone else's callsign from the US. I am
>> pretty sure this is an illegal operation in the US. Am I missing
>> something? Its happening pretty much every contest now.
>>
>> Ed N1UR
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