[CQ-Contest] {CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast

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GM,

MW vs East Coast

Here in Eu we have the same situation: West Coast (EU) vs. Central Eu. I 
agree with Steve N2IC and Barry W2UP: one from Central Eu is not able to 
reach the same results with a big monobander like TM3Z with his  3el on 
21MHz. Eg. in case we have a 6 hours opening for US that means only 
about 30 mins to west coast (but in good conditions only) and of course 
G/EI/F/EA/CT etc. friends have7-8 hours opening in the same time with 
much bigger West Coast opening .  Same situation with North vs. South. 
Dimitri: "the propagation in the real world..." is the propagation what 
you have in France but not in Central/East Eu.

We have to live together with this fact.

73 Lacy HA3NU/HG3R


On 2021. 11. 09. 21:18, dimitri cosson wrote:
> Steve,
>
> <<<
> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
> 1) Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look on  reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what bands)...
> 2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail
>
> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK
>
> Le 9 nov. 2021 à 20:42, à 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl at gmail.com> a écrit:
>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>>
>> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in any
>> DX
>> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on 10-40,
>> a
>> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300'
>> towards
>> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
>> experience to be humbling.
>>
>> 73,
>> Steve, N2IC
>>
>>
>>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real world...
>>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports
>> and
>>> form where it comes from :
>>>
>>> OE9GHV OH8FKK   7043.0  RTTY CQ 19 dB  45 bps 1706z  09 Nov
>>> WZ7I        TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ   10 dB  45 bps 1659z  09 Nov
>>> WE9V      TM3Z      21086.4  RTTY CQ  20 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>>> KO7SS    TM3Z      21086.5. RTTY CQ   25 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>>> W6YX.   TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ  20 dB 45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>>> K1TTT.   TM3Z      14099.1  RTTY CQ  22 dB 45 bps 1657z  09 Nov
>>>
>>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard by
>>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
>>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the neighbor's
>>> meadow
>>>
>>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 à 04:13, à 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com> a
>> écrit:
>>>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>>>> opening
>>>> to Europe.  That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>>>> virtually an
>>>> endless supply of Europeans to work.
>>>> Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
>> ops.
>>>> However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise times
>>>> for
>>>> Nov 25:
>>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>>>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>>>>
>>>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is
>> making 3
>>>> QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the band
>> is
>>>> just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the opening is
>> also
>>>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band opening
>>>> closes
>>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU continent.
>>>>
>>>> Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same
>> time
>>>> as
>>>> the sun rises across EU.
>>>>
>>>> Barry W2UP
>>>>
>>>>

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