[CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast

Wed Nov 10 15:54:04 EST 2021

Hi Lacy,

You're right, it's often better to be in Western EU to work US but it's better for central EU to work Asia/JA so...

You should read the 9A1UN's comment operating 9A1P on 15m during the last CQWW SSB ( https://www.3830scores.com/showrumor.php?arg=OjaJz1sgqgcaH )  or look the claimed scores of Multi-Single High, the Multi-Op Multi-Transmitters, the Single-Op low All bands, the Single-Op High all bands or any other single bands categories ( https://cqww.com/raw.htm?mode=ph ) to see from where are most of the EU top scorers.

As says a friend who his now retired of contest but who was a top scorer in Single-Op and Multi-Op categories in the 90's and 2000's : "the problem is often between the chair and the transceiver".

GL in the CW part
73 de Dimitri F4DSK

Le 10 nov. 2021 à 17:36, à 17:36, "Weisz László via CQ-Contest" <cq-contest at contesting.com> a écrit:
>GM,
>
>MW vs East Coast
>
>Here in Eu we have the same situation: West Coast (EU) vs. Central Eu.
>I 
>agree with Steve N2IC and Barry W2UP: one from Central Eu is not able
>to 
>reach the same results with a big monobander like TM3Z with his  3el on
>
>21MHz. Eg. in case we have a 6 hours opening for US that means only 
>about 30 mins to west coast (but in good conditions only) and of course
>
>G/EI/F/EA/CT etc. friends have7-8 hours opening in the same time with 
>much bigger West Coast opening .  Same situation with North vs. South. 
>Dimitri: "the propagation in the real world..." is the propagation what
>
>you have in France but not in Central/East Eu.
>
>We have to live together with this fact.
>
>73 Lacy HA3NU/HG3R
>
>
>On 2021. 11. 09. 21:18, dimitri cosson wrote:
>> Steve,
>>
>> <<<
>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>> 1) Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look
>on  reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what
>bands)...
>> 2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail
>>
>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK
>>
>> Le 9 nov. 2021 à 20:42, à 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl at gmail.com> a
>écrit:
>>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>>>
>>> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in
>any
>>> DX
>>> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on
>10-40,
>>> a
>>> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300'
>>> towards
>>> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
>>> experience to be humbling.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Steve, N2IC
>>>
>>>
>>>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real
>world...
>>>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports
>>> and
>>>> form where it comes from :
>>>>
>>>> OE9GHV OH8FKK   7043.0  RTTY CQ 19 dB  45 bps 1706z  09 Nov
>>>> WZ7I        TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ   10 dB  45 bps 1659z  09
>Nov
>>>> WE9V      TM3Z      21086.4  RTTY CQ  20 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>>>> KO7SS    TM3Z      21086.5. RTTY CQ   25 dB  45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>>>> W6YX.   TM3Z      21086.5  RTTY CQ  20 dB 45 bps 1658z  09 Nov
>>>> K1TTT.   TM3Z      14099.1  RTTY CQ  22 dB 45 bps 1657z  09 Nov
>>>>
>>>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard
>by
>>>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
>>>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the
>neighbor's
>>>> meadow
>>>>
>>>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 à 04:13, à 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co at gmail.com> a
>>> écrit:
>>>>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>>>>> opening
>>>>> to Europe.  That's where QSO points come from, because there's
>>>>> virtually an
>>>>> endless supply of Europeans to work.
>>>>> Start with the high bands.  Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
>>> ops.
>>>>> However sunRISE is the key.  Here are some examples of sunrise
>times
>>>>> for
>>>>> Nov 25:
>>>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>>>>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>>>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>>>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is
>>> making 3
>>>>> QSOs/minute with EU.  Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the
>band
>>> is
>>>>> just opening in Phila.  And so on.  And of course, the opening is
>>> also
>>>>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths.  The EU high band
>opening
>>>>> closes
>>>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU
>continent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then there are the low bands.  Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>>>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same
>>> time
>>>>> as
>>>>> the sun rises across EU.
>>>>>
>>>>> Barry W2UP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
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