[CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests
Joe
nss at mwt.net
Thu Feb 17 12:55:15 EST 2022
Wouldn't it be easier to as a part of the rules that to have in your
logger that all S&P QSO's are spotted?
Then there won't be the possibilities of the various abuses as examples
made so far?
Joe WB9SBD / W9ET
On 2/17/2022 9:55 AM, Richard F DiDonna NN3W wrote:
> Waiting for the DOS attacks on the spotting networks to start....
>
> 73 Rich NN3W
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 10:54 AM Pete Smith N4ZR<pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ria, I'm not frustrated... I am simply concerned that allowing
>> self-spotting will make it much less pleasant for me to pursue my
>> personal goals. If everyone and their sibling self spots, that will
>> markedly reduce my chances as of being first on a spot when someone
>> comes on a new band, which is my go-to technique. What's to stop them
>> from self-spotting their intended run frequency *before* they come on a
>> new band?
>>
>> Also, as someone pointed out, the potential for malicious spotting is
>> great. If I want to sabotage your operation, what's to stop me from
>> posting spots of you on the wrong band or frequency?
>>
>> I simply think this was not well thought out, and that the result would
>> have been different (and better) had the wider contesting community been
>> more involved.
>>
>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
>> For spots, please use your favorite
>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>
>> On 2/17/2022 5:46 AM,rjairam at gmail.com wrote:
>>> It really isn’t the “nobody asked us” defense. Quite the opposite.
>>> There were several in the contest community who wanted contest rules
>>> out of the hands of the full Board and into the hands of the CAC and
>>> radiosport department. It doesn’t mean we don’t have input. It simply
>>> means that we don’t have a formal vote on every contest rule change.
>>>
>>> As for smaller S&P stations? I’m not sure what changes for you. Care
>>> to elaborate?
>>>
>>> I think a lot of us with smaller stations share frustrations of not
>>> being able to be competitive, for various reasons.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ria
>>> N2RJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 1:05 AM Pete Smith N4ZR<pete.n4zr at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> But Ria, what about those of us with small stations who like assisted
>>> S&P? Surely there should be room for those of us who don't want to
>>> self-spot, but find unassisted S&P endless frustration. I'm with
>>> you -
>>> surely it would have been better to add a class.
>>>
>>> As for the Board not having voted on these new rules, why the heck
>>> not?
>>> Surely this isn't the "nobody asked us" defense? If the Board aren't
>>> responsible for what people subordinate to you do, who is?
>>>
>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
>>> web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
>>> For spots, please use your favorite
>>> "retail" DX cluster.
>>>
>>> On 2/16/2022 9:11 PM,rjairam at gmail.com wrote:
>>> > Hans, things progressed exactly as some of the harshest critics
>>> desired it
>>> > to go.
>>> >
>>> > But anyway, everything is in the minutes. There were no motions
>>> by the
>>> > Board to adopt these rules.
>>> >
>>> > Do I agree with them? My desire was for an “ultra unlimited”
>>> category to
>>> > have streaming and self spotting. I didn’t get that. I’m one voice.
>>> >
>>> > Do we need to adapt and evolve? Yes.
>>> >
>>> > But I’m glad we kept unassisted, so those who desire legacy
>>> contesting have
>>> > their sandbox to play in.
>>> >
>>> > Ria
>>> > N2RJ
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 8:53 PM Hans Brakob<kzerohb at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Nice sidestep, Director.
>>> >>
>>> >> 73, de Hans, KØHB
>>> >> “Just a Boy and his Radio”™
>>> >> ------------------------------
>>> >> *From:*
>>> CQ-Contest<cq-contest-bounces+kzerohb=gmail.com at contesting.com>
>>> >> on behalfofrjairam at gmail.com <rjairam at gmail.com>
>>> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 7:24:37 PM
>>> >>
>>> >> *To:* Ken Boasi<n2zn at rochester.rr.com>
>>> >> *Cc:* Barry W2UP<w2up.co at gmail.com>; CQ-Contest Reflector <
>>> >>cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>> >> *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in
>> contests
>>> >>
>>> >> The full Board does not make a motion to adopt rules changes
>>> anymore.
>>> >> This goes direct from the PSC to the radiosport department.
>>> There is a
>>> >> PSC report that is adopted (in the consent agenda) but that's
>> about
>>> >> it. Also, the CAC is actually driving these rule changes now
>>> with the
>>> >> PSC merely approving their recommendations.
>>> >>
>>> >> Ria
>>> >> N2RJ
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:43 PM Ken
>>> Boasi<n2zn at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >>> I’m not an ARRL apologist, but the CAC has been discussing
>>> this since at
>>> >> least a year ago, and made a recommendation for this change in
>>> their July
>>> >> meeting. You can look up the minutes on the ARRL website. It
>>> is task
>>> >> 2020.5.
>>> >>> I presume it was adopted in January at the ARRL Board meeting.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I am not in favor of the change, but I guess I had my chance
>>> to comment
>>> >> on this (like the rest of us) over the past year, and failed to
>>> do so,
>>> >> either because I wasn’t paying attention, forgot to, or just
>>> assumed that
>>> >> “they would never do something like that”. Lesson learned…
>>> >>> 73, Ken N2ZN
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 3:35 PM, Barry W2UP<w2up.co at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> So which contest software will be the first to add,
>>> "self-spot every
>>> >> 15
>>> >>>> seconds"?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Seems ARRL is back on its secrecy kick. I just renewed my ARRL
>>> >> membership
>>> >>>> for the 52nd year. It may be my last.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Barry W2UP
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:36 AM
>>> PY2NY<py2ny.vitor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Good afternoon.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I don't know exactly what to say or think about. My first
>>> impression
>>> >>>>> isn't good, including for those guys that are always
>> "Assisted".
>>> >>>>> DXCluster will have thousands of self-spots.
>>> >>>>> Thanks God I'm always "no-Assisted"...
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 73 DX and see you all next weekend.
>>> >>>>> .
>>> >>>>> ..
>>> >>>>> ...
>>> >>>>> --------------------------------
>>> >>>>> PY2NY / SP9NY / V26NY - Vitor Luis Aidar dos Santos
>>> >>>>>http://military-jeep-brasil.blogspot.com.br/
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Em qua., 16 de fev. de 2022 às 09:23, Randy Thompson <
>>> >>k5zd at outlook.com>
>>> >>>>> escreveu:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> From the ARRL Contest Update today:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> "New Rules in effect for all ARRL HF Contests in June
>>> >>>>>> Starting with the ARRL International Digital Contest, in all
>>> >> categories
>>> >>>>>> that allow assistance (Unlimited), the use of online and other
>>> >>>>> non-amateur
>>> >>>>>> radio platforms including but not limited to social media,
>>> live video
>>> >>>>>> streaming, and internet chat rooms will be allowed. In all
>>> Unlimited
>>> >> and
>>> >>>>>> Multioperator categories, the prohibition of self-spotting,
>> and
>>> >> asking
>>> >>>>>> another station to spot you, will also be removed."
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Wow. It was one thing for the VHF contests to allow use of
>>> chat
>>> >> rooms
>>> >>>>> and
>>> >>>>>> telephone calls, now this is extended to all HF contests.
>>> It should
>>> >> be
>>> >>>>>> interesting to see what unintended consequences result from
>>> allowing
>>> >>>>>> multi-ops and assisted competitors to spot themselves. You
>>> could spot
>>> >>>>>> yourself with every CQ if you wanted to. Or you can call
>>> people on
>>> >> the
>>> >>>>>> phone and ask them to get on the air. Or send out email
>>> reminders to
>>> >> work
>>> >>>>>> you during the contest.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> It is likely to have the most impact on SSB to produce
>> spotting
>>> >> equal to
>>> >>>>>> what the RBN does for CW and RTTY.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> For an organization that has always been so timid and
>>> conservative on
>>> >>>>> rule
>>> >>>>>> changes, the ARRL seems to have sprung this one without much
>>> >> consultation
>>> >>>>>> with the contest community. I assume it is in reaction to
>>> the W2RE
>>> >>>>>> incident several years ago in ARRL DX where he used live
>>> streaming on
>>> >>>>>> Facebook during the contest.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Randy K5ZD
>>> >>>>>>
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