[CQ-Contest] WRTC Countdown Is On (K3ZJ

Wed Jun 28 20:09:01 EDT 2023

We're not competing with IARU stations. We're competing with WRTC
stations.  Our point scoring is different; our multipliers are different;
our entry class is different.

Seriously, stop whining.

73 Rich NN3W

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 7:01 PM Edward Sawyer <
EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com> wrote:

> Thanks for this information Fabio.  So essentially because the logs are
> real time into the central system you are creating an SSB skimmer, not by
> pulling signals off the air like CW Skimmer but by monitoring Qs logged on
> a specific frequency.  While it may “level the playing field” in WRTC, it
> is completely against the rules in IARU Championship for which the rest of
> the world is participating and competing.  It also greatly increases the
> SSB efficiency of WRTC competitors vs non-WRTC competitors.  Affecting
> everybody’s scores even though not competing directly with each other.
>
> The WRTC is happening simultaneously with IARU.  Never before, to my
> knowledge, has a WRTC rule or process, influenced the overall contest for
> others in the contest.  It is after all the IARU Contest that is the norm
> here, not WRTC.
>
> I would ask the committee to rescind this clearly unallowed process in the
> IARU Contest.
>
> Thank you for your consideration of the rest of the contesting community.
>
> Ed  N1UR
>
> From: Fabio Schettino <fabio.e.schettino at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:42 PM
> To: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>
> Cc: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com>; cq-contest at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Countdown Is On (K3ZJ
>
>
> Hi Fellow
>
>
> Unfortunately we are too busy to follow these aseptic threads based on
> incomplete and wrong information.
>
>
>
> We will never scan the band looking for SSB WRTC stations, but we have
> developed a complete set of new tools that analyze the log in real time,
>
> to discover possible cheerleading activity.
>
>
>
>  In the meantime we introduced an automatic spot generator that sends only
> ONE spot after a band or mode change and three logged QSOs,
>
> addressing the issue of excessive spotting often associated with
> CWskimmer. This approach helps prevent unfair  advantages and ensures
>
> that SSB QSYs are also appropriately spotted. These decisions have been
> taken to steps up the level of the playing field for all participants.
>
>
>
> The development of these tools involved analyzing various factors,
> including QSO patterns, QSOs from the same operator entity,
>
> spot/log cross-checking, and leveraging AI techniques learned from years
> of Contesting and analyzing a vast number of Contest logs.
>
> This comprehensive approach demonstrates our commitment to improving the
> reliability and fairness of WRTC competitions.
>
>
>
> By implementing real-time log checks with these advanced tools, we hope to
> taking a significant step forward in ensuring the
>
> fairest competition possible for WRTC, we hope that this impressive
> accomplishment should be a positive development for the future of the event.
>
> See u in a couple of weeks
>
> 73 de Fabio I4UFH
>
> WRTC 2022 Vice President
>
>
>
>
>
> Il giorno mer 28 giu 2023 alle ore 03:44 Edward Sawyer <
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com<mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>>
> ha scritto:
> Jack – its worse than that actually.  The organizers will apparently scan
> the bands for SSB signals and spot them for the competitors.  Kind of like
> a manual SSB CW skimmer…
>
> Ed  N1UR
>
> From: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com<mailto:jackbrindle at me.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 4:30 PM
> To: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com<mailto:
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>>
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Countdown Is On (K3ZJ
>
> Ed;
>
> It appears that you are saying that self-spotting is allowed for the WRTC
> participants. Where do you get this? The Competition Rules at
> https://www.wrtc2022.it/en/competition-rules-29.asp seem to explicitly
> outlaw this. What are we missing?
>
> 73,
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2023, at 1:58 PM, Edward Sawyer <
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com<mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com
> ><mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com<mailto:
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>>> wrote:
>
> Sorry but activating a callsign block is not the same as broadcasting them
> continually over the cluster when no one else can do it.
>
> Such decisions should not even be the sole responsibility of WRTC – they
> should be overlaying passively – not hijacking.
>
> Ed  N1UR
>
> From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w at gmail.com<mailto:richnn3w at gmail.com
> ><mailto:richnn3w at gmail.com<mailto:richnn3w at gmail.com>>>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 2:54 PM
> To: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com<mailto:
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com><mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com
> <mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>>>
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com><mailto:
> cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com>>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Countdown Is On (K3ZJ
>
> Kind of like how using a callsign block that had not been activated in
> nearly 30 years was re-opened up just for WRTC?  Nobody complained an ounce
> then - in fact it was lauded.  That certainly detracted from working other
> stations.
>
> 73 Rich NN3W
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 2:16 PM Edward Sawyer <
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com<mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com
> ><mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com<mailto:
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>><mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com
> <mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>>> wrote:
> Hi Rich.  However, you are affecting the scores of other participants by
> pulling Qs away with a tool that is not allowed by others.  As an example,
> if a record was possible, and scores are lower, this is an unacceptable
> outcome for a group hijacking a contest.  No longer overlaying, but
> selfishly influencing.  Its just not acceptable in my opinion.
>
> Ed  N1UR
>
> From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w at gmail.com<mailto:richnn3w at gmail.com
> ><mailto:richnn3w at gmail.com<mailto:richnn3w at gmail.com>><mailto:
> richnn3w at gmail.com<mailto:richnn3w at gmail.com>>>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 2:13 PM
> To: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com<mailto:
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com><mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com
> <mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>><mailto:
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com<mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>>>
> Cc: cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com><mailto:
> cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com>><mailto:
> cq-contest at contesting.com<mailto:cq-contest at contesting.com>>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WRTC Countdown Is On (K3ZJ
>
> I mean we're only competing with ourselves within the shell of the IARU
> contest so I don't see what the big deal is.  We're scored differently,
> we're categorized differently, etc.
>
> 73 Rich NN3W
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 1:30 PM Edward Sawyer <
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com<mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com
> ><mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com<mailto:
> EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>><mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com
> <mailto:EdwardS at advanced-conversion.com>>> wrote:
> Thanks for this interesting info.  There has been virtually nothing
> relayed by the WRTC Committee to the outside world on what is going to
> happen there.  No site information and obviously no mention of drastic
> inclusions like patronage self-spotting.
>
> Personally, I think that self-spotting on SSB (which in my opinion is
> seriously wrong to hijack an on-going contest in this way) when no one else
> competing can do so within the rules, is completely out of bounds.  To
> "overlay yourself" onto a competition for another purpose is one thing -
> which I have no objection to.  However, to actually then introduce
> interaction which will PULL Qs from the normal contest participants in
> favor of your overlay is unsportsmanlike and unethical.
>
> This is a serious mistake in my opinion and a very dangerous precedent
> being set.  I implore the WRTC group to not do this.  Even the HQ stations
> are not allowed to self-spot in this contest.
>
> Ed  N1UR
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