[CQ-Contest] Connected but not assisted

[Mike Fatchett W0MU]

Why does the sponsor of the contest need to ask permission to make rule 
changes?  I can assure you that remotes were being discussed within the 
CAC for a long time.  CQ contest also allows remotes in the same fashion 
as the ARRL.  Why do are they getting a pass?

Regardless, I think it widely agreed that remote is less desirable than 
in person.

What exactly is the problem?  It seems nobody wants to talk about the 
objections but keep falling back on how rules are written or what words 
are used to describe it.

Kevin N5DX might take exception to what I wrote as he has done some 
pretty amazing things remote, but even he might say he could do better 
at the station.

I think remotes might be being blamed for some really really nice 
stations being built in the last 5 or so years that just happen to 
incorporate remote.  I would too if it was my station.  No brainer!

I think it would help if those opposed would just admit what the real 
issue is and stop beating around the bush.

W0MU



On 3/17/2024 5:22 PM, kq2m at kq2m.com wrote:
>
> JP,
>
> If you are going to quote me, then at least make a good-faith
> attempt to get it right.
>
> from my previous post:
>
> "First, the ARRL, when whomever decided unilaterally to treat remote the
> same as just using a keyer, they did so without ANY open discussion 
> with the
> contesting community. It was simply included DE FACTO.  No notice, no 
> discussion, NOTHING that
> I ever saw.
>
> Had remote operating been openly discussed by the ARRL at that time, I
> would have formally made my objection TO THE ARRL at that time to 
> REMOTE NOT being in it's
> own separate REMOTE category.
>
> REMOTE would have it's own NON-Assisted and Assisted categories of
> course."
>
> Bob, KQ2M
>
>
>
> On 2024-03-17 10:00, JP wrote:
>> NOT according TO KQ2M. AND you KNOW he’s SERIOUS because he’s SAID SO.
>>
>> I love all the passion over ham radio points.
>>
>> J.P. W2XX
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2024, at 5:19 AM, Hal Offutt 
>>> <hal at japancorporateresearch.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hold on, guys,
>>>
>>> Please don't lump remote operating with assisted operating. They are 
>>> totally different animals.  Remote is simply a means to operate a 
>>> station, whether it's in your basement or on the other side of the 
>>> world.  It does not  confer any kind of advantage. Paul Bourque's 
>>> description is perfect: remote is merely a long mic (key) cord.
>>>
>>> 73, Hal W1NN
>>>
>>> Remoting my station in Ohio from Tokyo since 2011  (and always 
>>> unassisted)
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 3/17/2024 3:31 AM, Stewart G. Hoar wrote:
>>>> Paul's "connected" suggestion offers an honest description of 
>>>> contesters who choose to increase their fun by adding internet 
>>>> support to traditional radio communications.  Some of us enjoy old 
>>>> fashioned (pre-internet) contesting, many others enjoy the boost 
>>>> that spotting networks, remote operation, and online scoreboards 
>>>> have added to our hobby.
>>>>
>>>> We don't need another category, but I think replacing "assisted" 
>>>> with "connected" is a fine idea.
>>>>
>>>> 73  Stu  N7ZZ
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: CQ-Contest 
>>>> <cq-contest-bounces+stuhoar=msn.com at contesting.com> on behalf of 
>>>> Paul O'Kane <pokane at ei5di.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 6:59 AM
>>>> To: cq-contest at contesting.com <cq-contest at contesting.com>
>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Assisted or Connected
>>>>
>>>> It seems to me that the term "Assisted" is outdated, as it predates 
>>>> the
>>>> internet (remember packet cluster).  In any case, all relevant
>>>> technology assists, leading to never-ending debate about what 
>>>> should, or
>>>> should not, be regarded as Assisted.
>>>>
>>>> The term "Connnected" describes it better. When you connect to an
>>>> external (to your station) network for the purpose of finding,
>>>> facilitating, or making QSOs, you are Connected.  When you spot 
>>>> others,
>>>> you are Connected - because you are advertising your presence over the
>>>> internet.  Self-spotting is Connected.
>>>>
>>>> Remote entrants are Connected because, by definition, they are obliged
>>>> to connect to an external network.
>>>>
>>>> If you prefer to enter as Unconnected, then stay away from the 
>>>> internet
>>>> while contesting.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Paul EI5DI
>>>>
>>>> ps - for completeness and consistency, the use of multi-channel CW
>>>> decoders would continue to be regarded as "Connected".
>
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