[Fourlanders] FW: [VHF] Gene's QST Column - Part 1
Kos
skos at bellsouth.net
Tue Apr 19 16:45:57 PDT 2011
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I think they should implement a Luddite category in these contests that would
entail straddling a large pine while semophoring CQ toward the horizon in hopes
that your call is seen and returned. The flags would need to be constructed of
natural materials, of course, so no loomers have their jobs jeopardized. No damn
spotters either, but maybe use tree species as multipliers. Propagation would be
uniquely Sporadic-D (for dumbass) to make this workable, but I know someone
would try.
Listening to these idiots makes about as much sense as consulting Charles Manson
for his scientific analysis of global warming:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/19/charles-manson-reportedly-breaks-20-year-silence-talk-global-warming/
We all know how solid Charlie's science is; after all, he was decoding audio
signals off a Beatle's album without the use of any new-fangled technology.
Think he'd be able to get DXCC in a weekend?
How come I never have a waterboard around when I need one?
Kos
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From: Jim Worsham <wa4kxy at bellsouth.net>
To: Sherman Banks <w4atl at shermanbanks.net>; Kos <skos at bellsouth.net>
Cc: "Rogers, Ron" <RR124640 at ncr.com>; Fourlanders <fourlanders at contesting.com>
Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 3:54:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Fourlanders] FW: [VHF] Gene's QST Column - Part 1
What a crock. You have all seen me running WSJT. Do you think I could work
DXCC, WAS, VUAC or anything else in a weekend? I hate to say it but I am
starting to get like Marshall. These anti digital guys are really starting
to get on my nerves with their irrational fear that someone is getting
something they have for nothing. Like Sherman said, some of these guys seem
to think if someone is doing something fun and innovative it must be stopped
because that just isn't allowed. I got my May QST yesterday and read the
article. Now Gene is stirring the pot for some reason. Did you also see
his comments about making scheds before the contest and even passing folks
up the bands? I guess you are supposed to get on 10 GHz and call CQ. I am
just going to start ignoring these nut cases before they start causing my
blood pressure to rise and cause me to have a heart attack or something.
This is supposed to be fun. If I want to listen to political back biting
and complaining I can go to work. Thanks to everyone for bringing me up to
speed. It seems like I am the last person in the world who gets their QST.
I really wish they would make it available online like the IEEE does with
all of their publications.
73
Jim, W4KXY
-----Original Message-----
From: Sherman Banks [mailto:w4atl at shermanbanks.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 5:10 AM
To: Kos
Cc: Rogers, Ron; wa4kxy at bellsouth.net; Fourlanders
Subject: Re: [Fourlanders] FW: [VHF] Gene's QST Column - Part 1
W3ZZ is writing about the controversy of using digital modes during
contests. He quotes a east coast VHFer who doesn't like the fact that it is
easier to make QSOs on digital modes and that they count towards QSOs on the
VHF bands. Apparently if some VHF contesters see others doing something fun
an effort must be made to stop it.
"What has taken me 45 years to scratch out with tropo openings and scatter
contacts can be wiped away in a single weekend using computer to computer
communications"
On Apr 18, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Kos <skos at bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> I agree, Marshall's recap of the issues are on target....
>
> Kos, N4NIA
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Rogers, Ron" <RR124640 at ncr.com>
> To: "wa4kxy at bellsouth.net" <wa4kxy at bellsouth.net>; Fourlanders
> <fourlanders at contesting.com>
> Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 5:21:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fourlanders] FW: [VHF] Gene's QST Column - Part 1
>
> OH YES !!
>
> Certainly does provide a lot of upcoming SVHFS Conference courtesy Suite
and
> cocktail hours conversation material.
>
> What Marshall says is a fairly good summation of the content.
>
> Ron
> WW8RR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fourlanders-bounces at contesting.com
> [mailto:fourlanders-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Worsham
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 5:12 PM
> To: 'Fourlanders'
> Subject: [Fourlanders] FW: [VHF] Gene's QST Column - Part 1
>
> I haven't seen my May QST yet but apparently Gene, W3ZZ has written
something
> very controversial about WSJT and other digital modes. Anyone gotten
their May
> QST yet and seen it? I am just curious what he said. It looks like I
quit the
> VUAC just in time.
>
> 73
> Jim, W4KXY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu] On
Behalf
> Of Marshall Williams
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 12:48 PM
> Cc: reflector
> Subject: [VHF] Gene's QST Column - Part 1
>
> Hello everyone....Gene's column this month in QST has taken me quite
aback. It
> is filled with statements and ideas that I completely reject.
>
> Gene and I have "cussed and discussed" these topics quite extensively in
the
> past few years. I thought I had "learned" the boy a thing or two, but I
guess
> not.
>
> The statement made by Ron-W3RJW, "What has taken me 45 years to scratch
out with
> tropo openings and scatter contacts can be wiped away in a single weekend
using
> computer to computer communications" is just plain FALSE(unless you only
had a
> handful of contacts to start with). It is a "red herring" introduced by
the
> anti-digital folks to try to denigrate contacts made via WSJT.
>
> In the early days of WSJT, I made the argument that the EME awards should
be
> segregated. This view was completely rejected by the various ARRL
luminaries.
> They decided that for ARRL and its awards, mode was not important....I
think
> that they were trying to protect DXCC, but in any case, that became the
> "Official" stance. I was duped into my "wrong" beliefs concerning WSJT by
an
> old time CW only op. After operating WSJT EMEextensively, Ifound out how
great
> it was and I became a proponent not a detractor.
>
> WSJT is an addition to the "toolkit" that every VHF op should have. It
will
> make contacts that cannot be made by the old SSB meteor scatter
techniques. It
> will make EME contacts that cannot be made by the old CW techniques. SO
> WHAT??? You just add the WSJT contacts to the totals that you have gotten
by
> other means. From here on 2M, I worked 41 states via "traditional" means
and
> the other 9 were worked via EME. SO WHAT?? You have to have EME to work
HI and
> AK anyway. Most important, you still have to get on and operate anyway.
>
> So, it is true that if you started from scratch and used WSJT, you would
take
> less than 45 years to work WAS, DXCC, or whatever. But you certainly
cannot do
> it in one weekend. The Anti-digital folks always fail to mention that it
takes
> a minimum of 5 minutes to complete an EME contact via WSJT. I have had
contacts
> that took 45 minutes, just because signals were so poor. WSJT meteor
scatter
> contacts often take 20-30 minutes to complete, depending on how many
little
> meteors are flying. How many SSB contacts could you make in 5 minutes???
or 45
> minutes??? The Antis never mention that WSJT is a VERY SLOW mode. No one
would
> use WSJT if CW or SSB was working.
>
> What is true about WSJT is that it has generated a level of activity that
has
> never been seen in the past. In the "old days", it took forever to work
the
> various awards, because there were so few stations on the
air....especially big
> stations with high power and big antennas.
>
> You spent a lot more time trying to find someone in West Virginia that you
could
> run with than in actually working him. It is the activity level that is
> important, not the mode used. Activity is more important than anything
else.
> Activity is KING! WSJT allows small and medium stations to get in on the
> activity.
>
> Currently, I am sitting on DXCC #99 on 2M. This has taken me over 3 years
to
> accomplish and I am still not done. I have to work one more AND get all
the
> cards in. I should mention that I have one of the larger EME station in
the
> US. Clearly, no one can accomplish DXCC(or any other major award) in one
> weekend. I should complete DXCC in a couple of weeks due to another FB
> DXpedition to a rare country. These DXpeditions exist because of the
activity
> created by WSJT. Activity breeds more activity.
>
> This same argument was brought forth when SSB came along. SSB was "too
easy",
> so it should be banned. This was the wonderful forward thinking ARRL that
came
> up with that one. Think of what SSB is today. New modes come
along....old ones
> fade away. Spark is gone...AM is essentially gone. Such is life.
>
> The views of Ron and Gene on contesting are equally far from the mark.
> I will address those topics in Part 2....
>
> 73 Marshall K5QE
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