[RFI] Blower noise from Carrier Furnace

Thu Jan 28 16:03:27 EST 2016

Hi Ed,

I think we need to be clear that even though those devices are exempt from
specific emissions limits, per section 15.103 "The operator of the exempted
device shall be required to stop operating the device upon a finding by the
Commission or its representative that the device is causing harmful
interference."

73,
Don (wd8dsb)

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Hare, Ed W1RFI <w1rfi at arrl.org> wrote:

> It may have been said already, but all pulse-width-controlled motors used
> in furnaces are compliant with the FCC rules if they have even a modest
> amount of filtering.   A furnace is an appliance, as defined in Part 15, so
> it is a device that is categorically exempt from specific emissions
> limits.  Adding that provision to a contract could actually make it less
> likely that the manufacturer will cooperate. If he figures out that he is
> exempt, he can say that he has met that provision in the contract.
>
> It would be better to negotiate a contract that requires that interference
> to radio devices be addressed.
>
>
> 73, Ed Hare, W1RFI
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Dave Cole
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:15 AM
> To: rfi at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RFI] Blower noise from Carrier Furnace
>
> If possible, when you replace your HVAC system, have the company doing the
> install write into the contract both you and they sign, that the new device
> will not generate RFI, and will be FCC part 15 compliant, else it goes
> back, and the old system gets put back in place at no charge to you.
>
> That forces them to do the homework and call the manufacturer.  This also
> puts the RFI issue right out on the table to start with, and brings up the
> issue of RFI to the manufacturer.  This also lets the manufacturer know
> that RFI is an issue , and can cost them sales.
>
> When I changed furnaces I did this...  I also had no issues with RFI when
> the install was finished.  I asked the installers, to please do their
> homework and call the vendor to insure there would not be an RFI issue,
> prior to install in order to avoid ugly issues later.
>
> All went well, and they installed an RFI kit on a Coleman furnace at the
> time of install...  Not a peep from it.
>
> I also elected to avoid the PW controlled fan as well...
>
> All discussion were very nice, and very friendly, but in no uncertain
> terms, no RFI would be tolerated, it would be a show-stopper.
>
> --
> 73's, and thanks,
> Dave
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> On Thu, 2016-01-28 at 07:41 -0800, Gary Smith via RFI wrote:
> > Thanks for this very valuable info. Our hvac system is near
> > replacement time, good to know that Trane corp knows (and apparently,
> > understands)
> > about and can do something about RFI from their hvac system.
> >
> > Gary...wa6fgi
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/27/2016 7:41 PM, Tim Duffy wrote:
> > > Hello Jim:
> > >
> > > I had a new HVAC system installed last year - It is the American
> > > Standard brand. I had bad RFI on 20 meters.
> > >
> > > I found this document:
> > >
> > > http://www.crompton.com/hamradio/Trane%20XV95%20RFI%20Documentation
> > > .pdf
> > >
> > > It gave me all the info I needed to give to the HVAC installers to
> > > fix my RFI. Now my HVAC system is RFI noise free.
> > >
> > > Hope this document (lots of links) or something else you can Google
> > > will help you solve your problem.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Tim K3LR
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > > Netwal via RFI
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 2:55 PM
> > > To: rfi at contesting.com
> > > Subject: [RFI] Blower noise from Carrier Furnace
> > >
> > > Last August I replaced my dead furnace with a new Carrier Model
> > > 59TP6A060
> > > variable speed, 2-stage furnace.  Right away I noticed that I had
> > > loud blower motor noise ever 18 kHz on most bands but it was the
> > > loudest on 17 meters.  Does anyone have any advice or a fix for
> > > this?  Thank you in advance!
> > >
> > > 73, Jim W9UUM
> > > www.w9uum.com
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