[RFI] FCC RFI Question

Dave Cole (NK7Z) dave at nk7z.net
Sun Aug 19 01:54:50 EDT 2018 

No...  I have friends that live in the country, and they have decent 
Internet!  Hopefully it won;'t get to that point.

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist

On 08/18/2018 04:14 PM, David Harmon wrote:
> Yeah I understand that but you just can't put the rig out in a field
> somewhere and turn it on.
> Will you have to buy some property to set up the remote or rent air time
> from someone who has a good non-remote station?
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> David Harmon
> K6XYZ
> Sperry, OK
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Dave Cole (NK7Z)
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 6:07 PM
> To: David Harmon <k6xyz at sbcglobal.net>; 'Bob W7KD' <rgshauger at yahoo.com>;
> rfi at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RFI] FCC RFI Question
> 
> For me, I will probably set up my K3 at a remote location, and Internet into
> it...  Sigh...  All my radial field needs to be redone...
> 
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Technical Specialist
> 
> On 08/18/2018 03:48 PM, David Harmon wrote:
>>>> Run for cover to EchoLink.  hi hi<<
>>
>> Gawd noooo.....
>>
>> On the remote operation thing....what is the usual procedure?
>> Buy time from someone that has a good station out in the weeds or buy some
> property and set up your own?
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> David Harmon
>> K6XYZ
>> Sperry, OK
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bob W7KD
>> via RFI
>> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:10 PM
>> To: Dave Cole (NK7Z) <dave at nk7z.net>; rfi at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] FCC RFI Question
>>
>>
>> Giving up is the easy way out.
>> Run for cover to EchoLink.  hi hi
>>
>> Bob W7KD
>>
>>         From: Dave Cole (NK7Z) <dave at nk7z.net>
>>    To: rfi at contesting.com
>>    Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:30 PM
>>    Subject: Re: [RFI] FCC RFI Question
>>      
>> I have been considering more and more, remoting my entire station.
>>
>> 73s and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>> ARRL Technical Specialist
>>
>> On 08/18/2018 11:08 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
>>> This is why Remote Ham Radio is and will continue to be a huge thing.
>>> I understand those that wish to chase awards all from a single
>>> location etc.  Hopefully there is more to the hobby than Honor Roll.
>>>
>>> Nobody knows when their day is coming, these issues are just as
>>> important to the young or old.
>>>
>>> We in the west are constantly told by those on the East Coast to move
>>> if we wanted to be treated fairly in contests.  Moving is probably
>>> not an option for most, but if a move is in the works it becomes even
>>> more important to put high noise cities in directions not toward EU or
> what
>>> you are really wanting to work.    I know a number of hams that want a
>>> place near Denver but they will only look for places where Denver
>>> metropolis is not in a good path EU, JA, etc.
>>>
>>> Peoples conveniences are probably going to win out over our little
>>> hobby as the light rail noise generators are now about 2 miles from
>>> my house and will extend closer and closer and there is nothing I
>>> will be able to do to fight it.
>>>
>>> W0MU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/18/2018 10:17 AM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
>>>> Rob,
>>>>
>>>> If only I were a young man again, then I would not be as patient as
>>>> I am today...  Please take the next few paragraphs in the vain they
>>>> are given.  Respectfully.
>>>>
>>>> Let me re-quote something I said in this very thread:
>>>>
>>>> ==========CUT==========
>>>> I well understand your frustration with your RFI issues...  I am
>>>> many months out in not being able to use HF at all due to RFI.  I am
>>>> frustrated beyond belief.  Why?  My hobby of 50 years is now at an
>>>> end until the FCC corrects the issue, I may not get Honor Roll as a
>>>> result of this, I am 65, my time is running short.  The next sunspot
>>>> peak may be my last...  You bet I am pissed, but I am also careful,
>>>> and thoughtful, and I want a solution that sticks, and more
>>>> importantly is good for the Amateur Community as a whole.
>>>> ==========CUT==========
>>>>
>>>> My goal is to correct the problem in the shortest possible time,
>>>> using all legal means possible.  We have no choice in this, unless
>>>> we break the law.
>>>>
>>>> Here are some of our choices:
>>>>
>>>> 1.  Take the slow, and what I feel is a more effective course.
>>>> 2.  Scream and yell, and hope you get results.
>>>> 3.  Do something stupid and end up in jail, or worse.
>>>> 4.  Quit ham radio.
>>>> 5.  Work around the RFI until you can get it corrected.
>>>>
>>>> Items 2, 3, and 4 are not acceptable to me, and should not be to you
>>>> either.  Items 1 ,and 4 are acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> We simply have no choice in this if we are to remain law abiding,
>>>> and I intend to do just that, remain law abiding...
>>>>
>>>> Carping, yelling, screaming, kicking the floor, and foot stomping,
>>>> just make things worse for everyone.  On top of that, those steps
>>>> are simply not an effective use of our time to correct this problem.
>>>> I want to use my remaining years as effectively as possible, and
>>>> that means working within the existing system in a way that is
> effective.
>>>> Using ineffective methods just wastes my remaining years.
>>>>
>>>> The world has changed, if we can't adopt--  well there was once a
>>>> species of lizards called dinosaurs, we all know how that ended...
>>>>
>>>> Remember in VE land their version of the FCC just stopped
>>>> enforcement completely...  Your ONLY recourse there is via the court
> system...
>>>> You it takes time now in the US...
>>>>
>>>> Running around and throwing rocks might work once, but more than
>>>> likely it will make it worse for you, and for others.  Take the time
>>>> to think things through, do it right and you sometimes get rewarded.
>>>>
>>>> I have had seven grow light RFI issues in the past 5 years.  All of
>>>> them but my current issue have been quickly solved, without the FCC,
>>>> or the ARRL even being involved.  How?  Documentation, a friendly
>>>> approach, and avoiding conflict where possible.
>>>>
>>>> I dislike RFI as much as you, possibly more, I am ticked as hell at
>>>> having to play all of these games!  I just want to play radio on 40
>>>> meters in the early mornings.  I can't, and it pisses me off every
>>>> morning I get up and can't.  I have a legal right to do this, and
>>>> not have to put up with RFI at these levels, but...  In the real
>>>> world, enforcement is not always equal, and it is not what it used to
> be.
>>>>
>>>> I will correct this.  If I have to write my Congressman to get
>>>> action, I will correct this.
>>>>
>>>> If it comes to that, and I hope it does not, I want to insure I have
>>>> done EVERYTHING correctly, and legally.  The goal is to win the war,
>>>> not just one battle.  I want 40 meters back, and I will get it
>>>> back...  But, as I said, sometimes solving RFI just takes time.
>>>>
>>>> It is not fair, but the world is not fair...  I wish it were... So
>>>> yes, I do understand your position, I am in that same position...
>>>>
>>>> Remember, the FCC is really on our side, and they are just as
>>>> hamstrung as we are with legal issues.  There is no magic wand for
>>>> this...
>>>>
>>>> Take care, and I hope your RFI gets solved sooner than later...
>>>>
>>>> 73s and thanks,
>>>> Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
>>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>>> ARRL Technical Specialist
>>>>
>>>> On 08/17/2018 06:09 PM, Rob Atkinson wrote:
>>>>>> I am happy with this response, and will wait for things to take
>>>>>> their course.
>>>>>> Again, slow, steady, and making sure you cross every "t", and dot
>>>>>> every "i" seems to work for me. So far...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Solving RFI just takes lots of time...
>>>>>
>>>>> That's FB for a young ham with his whole life ahead of him.  But
>>>>> for the rest of us getting up there in years, we see the time of
>>>>> our precious few remaining good ham years slipping away while we
>>>>> wait for something to happen and listen to noise in the mean time.
>>>>> Pretty tough to be patient when you can't be certain if you'll be
>>>>> around for a year or another 10 and one of the few joys of your
>>>>> life is gone because some jerk with a solar panel or grow light or
> something else.
>>>>> I guess this helps explain why HF is so empty now.  An old man just
>>>>> don't have the energy and fight for this kind of battle.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Rob
>>>>> K5UJ
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