[RFI] Dishwasher

David Eckhardt davearea51a at gmail.com
Sun Jan 28 15:35:25 EST 2018

I hear you, Jim.  I guess I'm just tired of trying to do what is right wrt
RFI/EMC.  No one cares anymore.


On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>

> Great work, Dave!
> As to the Maytag -- even if RFI for a product is not covered by an FCC
> Rule, it's still defective if it generates RF noise. When we complain about
> a product and demand that it be fixed or refunded, we are challenging their
> business model. We are making the mfr aware of a problem that prevents us
> from buying their product.
> 73, Jim K9YC
> On 1/27/2018 4:02 PM, David Eckhardt wrote:
>> No, I did not contact Maytag.  HOWEVER, when it came to the Panasonic
>> PLASMA television, I did a complete set of measurements using good HP
>> equipment, wrote a formal report, and sent it to Panasonic.  As a result,
>> they recognized the problem, took the set with no further questions asked,
>> and refunded my purchase price, including state tax.  TV's and radios ARE
>> regulated by the FCC under Part 15, Subpart B.  One less plasma TV to cause
>> interference.
>> The reason I did not complain to Maytag was that FCC specifically
>> EXCLUDES home appliances from any requirements or testing. Appliances have
>> free run to include as many as they please totally unregulated "with love,
>> from China" switchers.
>> Again, when we had task lighting installed in the 'TV' room, they turned
>> out to be 12-vac lamps.  No surpirse.  Of course, they were powered by an
>> "electronic transformer' which we all know is NOT a transformer but a
>> switching AC/AC converter.  It took me 10-hours online (with breaks and a
>> night of sleep) to finally trace down the supplier of the 'electronic
>> transformers'.  I know that the lighting industry is held to FCC
>> regulations and testing requirements.  So, I finally contacted them and
>> their reply, you'll get a kick out of this: "Oh,....you want the FCC
>> 'transformer' ".  Well, yes!!!! Turns out they had only some 7 in stock as
>> there 'isn't much demand for them'.  AND.....the price........hold your
>> breath..........$85 EACH and I needed two.  The 'with love, from China'
>> units - originals - were $12 each, if I wanted to replace them.
>> NO......!!!!  Here's my credit card and send two of the "FCC
>> transformers".  They were fully aware of the problem, but cheap is in and
>> they ship the "with love, from China" units with the lighting fixtures.
>> This has become so common I just keep our own home as clean as possible and
>> give up for the rest of the world even though I have a small business
>> addressing regulatory requirements for EMC/RFI.  I've caught a few, but the
>> report was shoved in some nondiscrete dusty drawer in the back room.  One
>> of the cases actually went to court, but thats all I better write.
>> Dave - WØLEV
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>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 9:53 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com
>> <mailto:jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>> wrote:
>>     On 1/27/2018 11:24 AM, David Eckhardt wrote:
>>         We bought the 'industrial' Maytag brand washer and dryer.
>>         They both
>>         produce a lot of RFI on HF.  However, wash only once or twice
>>         a week, but
>>         it does interfer with my HF radio astronomy ventures quite
>>         badly, but easy
>>         to detect as its on or off - step function in the RFI.
>>         Where is the FCC????
>>     Essentially powerless, thanks to "small government" with no staff
>>     to enforce their Rules, and with Rules that make it easy to sell
>>     stuff that violates those Rules.
>>     But, more to the point, where are YOU?  Did you complain to Maytag
>>     about the problem and demand that they fix it or take it back?  As
>>     we learned 50 years ago in the civil rights movement, "if you're
>>     not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."
>>     73, Jim K9YC
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