[RFI] FCC Complaint Filing
dave at nk7z.net
Fri Nov 22 17:56:35 EST 2019
You want to handle this at the lowest level possible and move up in
steps, ending with the FCC.
Look for the RFI presentation... then check out:
The top link goes to an RFI presentation that touches on keeping logs,
etc, while the second link goes to a three part set of blog entries
covering RFI in general, and a good portion of it is devoted to
logging/record keeping, and what you need to do in order to move forward...
After you have a few weeks of logs, you might consider contacting the
ARRL lab... They should be able to assist you.
73, and thanks,
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
On 11/22/19 12:58 PM, N8GLS wrote:
> At the beginning of July I had given him all the materials for the install. More than a fair amount of time.
> Brad, N8GLS
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 12:00 PM
> To: n8gls at arrl.net; rfi at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RFI] FCC Complaint Filing
> Hi Brad,
> How much time have you allowed for the neighbor to add the filters, prior to your complaint?
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> On 11/22/19 8:44 AM, N8GLS wrote:
>> Thanks Dave,
>> Have kept my diplomacy intact throughout the entire process. I
>> purchased all the chokes needed (at my cost) and gave them all to him
>> with the repeated offer to install myself. Thus the reason for the
>> FCC complaint as I see no other recourse. I did again last night
>> reach out to the ARRL for any possible intervention while this is in the FCC's "inbox" for action.
>> 73, Brad N8GLS
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RFI <rfi-bounces at contesting.com> On Behalf Of Dave Cole
>> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 7:59 AM
>> To: rfi at contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] FCC Complaint Filing
>> It seems like your neighbor was being helpful at one point... If this
>> is the case, protect that relationship at all costs... It is useful,
>> and will get your RFI solved a LOT FASTER, which is the goal...
>> From your description, it sounds like some sort of outside light was
>> installed, and is without a doubt causing your RFI, be sure to keep
>> notes on all of this in the event the relationship turns sour, and you
>> do need the FCC.
>> Sidestep all the photos, graphs, and charts, and just offer to replace
>> the light at your cost.
>> I know that by rights you could force the issue with them, and make
>> them pay for replacement, but why? The goal is to get your RFI
>> gone... I have done this with several neighbors, it works, the RFI
>> goes away, and in most cases, the cost has been less than 50 bucks,
>> and the time is around a week to solve...
>> Again, you are in the driver seat here, but why make it hard by
>> involving the FCC, solving it that way will take months and months.
>> Replacing the light will take a weekend...
>> 73, and thanks,
>> Dave (NK7Z)
>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>> ARRL Technical Specialist
>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>> On 11/21/19 8:52 PM, N8GLS wrote:
>>> Thanks Mike,
>>> The RFI started occurring on the Sunday I returned from Hamvention.
>> installed the new IC-9700 and the band scope was showing pulsating
>> band wide noise. Also the s-meter on the 2m FM rig was fluctuating up
>> to almost full scale even though no signal was present. Going outside
>> I noticed the newly installed deck lights, called my neighbor, and
>> sure enough he just finished Saturday installing them. I asked him to
>> turn them off for a minute and the noise disappeared, turning them
>> back on brought it back. I was able to get a spare light he had, took
>> it in the shack and regardless of being powered off pure DC or low voltage AC it was emitting RFI like I never saw before.
>> See my QRZ page for links to the videos (intentionally non-technical)
>> for my neighbor, the Mfg and for the ARRL.
>>> 73 de Brad, N8GLS
>>> Mentor, OH
>>> From: Michael Martin <mike at rfiservices.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:32 PM
>>> To: n8gls at arrl.net
>>> Cc: rfi at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [RFI] FCC Complaint Filing
>>> Importance: High
>>> Hey Brad I'm sorry to hear about your issue too bad it's not uncommon!
>>> I don't remember seeing or hearing about how you determined that
>> lights were the issue!
>>> I'm not second-guessing you I'm just curious as to the method you
>>> used to
>> determine they were the cause of the problem.
>>> I'd also be interested in knowing where this is, the state & town.
>>> Best wishes to you
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>>> On Nov 21, 2019, at 7:12 PM, N8GLS <n8gls at arrl.net
>>> <mailto:n8gls at arrl.net>
>>> I filed an "informal" complaint with the FCC a month ago regarding
>>> RFI emanating from a neighbor's installation of LED Deck Lights done
>>> back in May 2019. I did receive one response that a ticket number
>>> was assigned and have been regularly checking the status but no
>>> further "action" yet. I realize this may be a fairly long process
>>> and may not go anywhere but was curious if anybody here has ever
>>> filed a complaint and if so how long it took before some indication
>>> of status was received
>>> A little history: The interference affects almost the entire 2m band.
>>> This neighbor was initially cooperative and once I found a solution
>>> (a simple combination of Chokes) I bought and gave him all the chokes
>>> needed for the entire deck as well as offering to install them myself
>>> or at least help. A reply of "no help needed, I can install myself
>>> no problem" gave me an indication of sincerity ..that was back in July.
>>> These lights have turned on at dusk and off at about 1am every single
>>> day since May. I politely called him again the beginning of Oct
>>> reminding him the interference was still emanating from the lights
>>> and I would still install if he didn't have the time. That call
>>> ended with an agitated response of "its not my problem" and "I don't
>>> believe by merely buying these lights in any way makes me responsible
>>> for anything", followed by "If they were so bad they wouldn't be
>>> sold". It was clear there was no intention of installing anything at
>>> any time and further conversation about the situation would be
>>> fruitless. Left with no other solution I filed the informal
>>> complaint and included a summary of the issue, timeline of events and
>>> links to a
>> couple videos showing the interference being received as well as one
>> solution to remedy it.
>>> Frustrating to say the least, and sadly, words like "cooperation",
>>> "politeness", "neighborly" and "respect" don't seem to mean much
>>> 73 de Brad, N8GLS
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