[RFI] Another Solar Panel RFI System

[Michael Martin]

Merry Christmas to everybody

You guys need to get a life it's Christmas Day. I bet your spouses are
sitting there looking at you like, thinking the same thing I just typed!

Michael Martin
RFI Services

On Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 10:18 AM Steve London <n2icarrl at gmail.com> wrote:

> From
>
> https://www.livescience.com/33039-why-do-mattresses-have-do-not-remove-tags.html
>
> In the 1990s, in an effort to clear up the confusion, the tag's warning was
> officially changed to "Do Not Remove Under Penalty of Law Except by the
> Consumer."
>
> 73,
> Steve, N2IC
>
> On Sun, Dec 25, 2022 at 8:13 AM Dave (NK7Z) <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Dale,
> >
> > For the most part that is not going to work well...  No matter how much
> > you talk to your next door neighbor if you interfere with their <insert
> > device name here>, it is almost always your fault in their minds...
> > The logic goes like this:
> >
> > "I have a <insert device name here>, it works 99% of the time, but when
> > you transmit it does not work..."
> >
> > How do you think most people are going to react to that situation...  So
> > as Amateurs, we start out handicapped, because the consumer is not
> > educated in how RFI responsibility is parsed out.  The consumer is sure
> > it is you, not them...
> >
> > Now lets reverse the victim status...
> >
> > The consumer installs a multi thousand dollar <insert device name here>:
> >
> > "I paid thousands to to install this, and had professionals install
> > it...  I bought it from a manufacturer we all know and love.  It can't
> > be my equipment..."
> >
> > Again-- education of the consumer is the driver here.  If the consumer
> > is happy, and the system is in place, the Amateur is already behind the
> > 8-Ball, and again, the Amateur is handicapped as a result of lack of
> > education on the consumers part, with regards to parsing RFI
> > responsibility.
> >
> > This places an installer, or manufacturer, in the position of telling
> > the consumer that their newly installed multi thousand dollar widget,
> > may interfere with the amateur next door, and they, (the consumer), will
> > have to pay more to fix the issue...
> >
> > Again, the consumer is going to whine about this state of affairs, and
> > neither the  the manufacture, or the vendor, are going to tell the
> > consumer this, as they may lose the sale...  Again, education issues for
> > the consumer, and maybe penalty's for the vendor if they don't tell the
> > consumer might help...
> >
> > Until the consumer, not the Amateur, is directly affected by RFI, the
> > RFI nightmare we all live in, (if we are a city), will continue.
> >
> > Part of the RFI "fix" MUST include education beyond the Part 15, or 18,
> > stickers on equipment to consumers...  The consumer views these stickers
> > like the tags on mattresses that say "DO NOT REMOVE UNDER PENALTY OF
> > LAW", they are ignored, and removed, for the most part.
> >
> > I really don't see how this will get solved in my lifetime...  At 70, I
> > have perhaps 15 to 20, (if I am lucky), years left...
> >
> > It will take that long just to cycle out most of the old gear, if a
> > mandate were to be put in place today.
> >
> > I applaud the efforts of the ARRL, the only way to work this issue is to
> > educate everyone involved, and get standards in place...
> >
> > Maybe the next generation of hams will see less RFI...
> >
> > With regards to contracts...  You are dead correct Dale!
> >
> > I was lucky, I got my HVAC installer to put in his contract that if RFI
> > were to occur at a level I was not happy with, they would fix the issue,
> > or remove and replace the HVAC system.  I doubt I could get that
> > concession again today...  No RFI, occurred however, as we discussed
> > this with the vendor prior to install, (no PWM motors were used), and
> > the vendor contacted the manufacturer BEFORE starting on the project.
> >
> > What next door neighbor is going to tell a vendor, you had better be
> > ready to charge me more, if the ham next door complains...
> >
> > Consumers MUST be educated about RFI responsibilities, as part of an
> > overall fix, if RFI is to be reduced...
> >
> > 73, and thanks,
> > Dave (NK7Z)
> > https://www.nk7z.net
> > ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> > ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> > ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> >
> > On 12/25/22 01:04, Dale wrote:
> > > so it would seem that we hams try to work with our neighbors to
> minimize
> > the problems from their systems
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