[RFI] Another Solar Panel RFI System

[Dave (NK7Z)]

Too early, Wife is sound asleep, and I am listening to RFI...  ;)  Merry 
Christmas back at you!!  :)

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 12/25/22 07:24, Michael Martin wrote:
> Merry Christmas to everybody
> 
> You guys need to get a life it's Christmas Day. I bet your spouses are
> sitting there looking at you like, thinking the same thing I just typed!
> 
> Michael Martin
> RFI Services
> 
> On Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 10:18 AM Steve London <n2icarrl at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> From
>>
>> https://www.livescience.com/33039-why-do-mattresses-have-do-not-remove-tags.html
>>
>> In the 1990s, in an effort to clear up the confusion, the tag's warning was
>> officially changed to "Do Not Remove Under Penalty of Law Except by the
>> Consumer."
>>
>> 73,
>> Steve, N2IC
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 25, 2022 at 8:13 AM Dave (NK7Z) <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dale,
>>>
>>> For the most part that is not going to work well...  No matter how much
>>> you talk to your next door neighbor if you interfere with their <insert
>>> device name here>, it is almost always your fault in their minds...
>>> The logic goes like this:
>>>
>>> "I have a <insert device name here>, it works 99% of the time, but when
>>> you transmit it does not work..."
>>>
>>> How do you think most people are going to react to that situation...  So
>>> as Amateurs, we start out handicapped, because the consumer is not
>>> educated in how RFI responsibility is parsed out.  The consumer is sure
>>> it is you, not them...
>>>
>>> Now lets reverse the victim status...
>>>
>>> The consumer installs a multi thousand dollar <insert device name here>:
>>>
>>> "I paid thousands to to install this, and had professionals install
>>> it...  I bought it from a manufacturer we all know and love.  It can't
>>> be my equipment..."
>>>
>>> Again-- education of the consumer is the driver here.  If the consumer
>>> is happy, and the system is in place, the Amateur is already behind the
>>> 8-Ball, and again, the Amateur is handicapped as a result of lack of
>>> education on the consumers part, with regards to parsing RFI
>>> responsibility.
>>>
>>> This places an installer, or manufacturer, in the position of telling
>>> the consumer that their newly installed multi thousand dollar widget,
>>> may interfere with the amateur next door, and they, (the consumer), will
>>> have to pay more to fix the issue...
>>>
>>> Again, the consumer is going to whine about this state of affairs, and
>>> neither the  the manufacture, or the vendor, are going to tell the
>>> consumer this, as they may lose the sale...  Again, education issues for
>>> the consumer, and maybe penalty's for the vendor if they don't tell the
>>> consumer might help...
>>>
>>> Until the consumer, not the Amateur, is directly affected by RFI, the
>>> RFI nightmare we all live in, (if we are a city), will continue.
>>>
>>> Part of the RFI "fix" MUST include education beyond the Part 15, or 18,
>>> stickers on equipment to consumers...  The consumer views these stickers
>>> like the tags on mattresses that say "DO NOT REMOVE UNDER PENALTY OF
>>> LAW", they are ignored, and removed, for the most part.
>>>
>>> I really don't see how this will get solved in my lifetime...  At 70, I
>>> have perhaps 15 to 20, (if I am lucky), years left...
>>>
>>> It will take that long just to cycle out most of the old gear, if a
>>> mandate were to be put in place today.
>>>
>>> I applaud the efforts of the ARRL, the only way to work this issue is to
>>> educate everyone involved, and get standards in place...
>>>
>>> Maybe the next generation of hams will see less RFI...
>>>
>>> With regards to contracts...  You are dead correct Dale!
>>>
>>> I was lucky, I got my HVAC installer to put in his contract that if RFI
>>> were to occur at a level I was not happy with, they would fix the issue,
>>> or remove and replace the HVAC system.  I doubt I could get that
>>> concession again today...  No RFI, occurred however, as we discussed
>>> this with the vendor prior to install, (no PWM motors were used), and
>>> the vendor contacted the manufacturer BEFORE starting on the project.
>>>
>>> What next door neighbor is going to tell a vendor, you had better be
>>> ready to charge me more, if the ham next door complains...
>>>
>>> Consumers MUST be educated about RFI responsibilities, as part of an
>>> overall fix, if RFI is to be reduced...
>>>
>>> 73, and thanks,
>>> Dave (NK7Z)
>>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
>>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>>>
>>> On 12/25/22 01:04, Dale wrote:
>>>> so it would seem that we hams try to work with our neighbors to
>> minimize
>>> the problems from their systems
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