[RFI] HVAC - some observations

Tue Jul 26 12:56:02 EDT 2022

Dave (W0LEV),

Respectfully, bring it up in discussions with your elected officials... 
That is the ONLY way this will change.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 7/26/22 09:26, David Eckhardt wrote:
> Ed, I have trouble with ARRL doing the job FCC should be doing wrt the
> solar power (and others) industry.  After all, ARRL is offering this
> service at no expense.  I realize it's for the good of amateur radio, in
> general.  But our, your and my, tax money is supposed to be paying FCC to
> do what ARRL (and your lab) is volunteering.  It's just not right!!!
> 
> Not to mention the work of ARRL in taking FCC to court and winning against
> FCC for misrepresenting the BPL data.  That must have cost a bit of ARRL's
> funds?
> 
> Dave - WØLEV
> 
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 4:19 PM Hare, Ed, W1RFI <w1rfi at arrl.org> wrote:
> 
>> My guess is that any agency is going to defer this back to FCC.  There is
>> one difference between RF pollution and other pollution and that is that
>> once the source is stopped, RF pollution is instantly gone.
>>
>> FCC has regulations to control RF pollution, so trying to get another
>> agency to write different regulations is not going to go anywhere, IMHO.
>>
>> UL is not a regulatory agency, so they do not get involved even with
>> ensuring that devices comply with FCC Part 15 or related rules. They
>> approve things based solely on electrical safety.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* RFI <rfi-bounces+w1rfi=arrl.org at contesting.com> on behalf of
>> David Eckhardt <davearea51a at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2022 12:15 PM
>> *To:* James Jordan <k4qpl2 at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* Rfi List <rfi at contesting.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [RFI] HVAC - some observations
>>
>> Jim, you have a great idea.  I'm sure if the RFI from all sources,
>> especially solar power and SMPSs/inverters were treated as an environmental
>> hazard, it sure as heck would gain traction!!
>>
>> Dave - WØLEV
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 3:00 AM James Jordan <k4qpl2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> True. Maybe widespread spectrum pollution, which is what it really is,
>>> should be treated as an environmental problem and not a communications
>>> issue alone. And yes, ARRL shouldn’t have to carry the full load. What if
>>> Solar and HVAC had to prove no spectrum pollution to get signed off by UL
>>> to legally sell stuff. Maybe HF is effectively being abandoned and
>>> sacrificed in favor of the new world of devices which generate collateral
>>> HF RFI.
>>> Although while spinning the dial I did hear an aviation weather report
>> USB
>>> around 3.3 MHz if I recall from Gander so at least a few services haven’t
>>> gone satellite or UHF. At 35,000 feet over the North Atlantic I guess
>>> there’s not much RFI unless generated on board!
>>> 73,
>>> Jim K4QPL
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 7:21 PM, David Eckhardt <davearea51a at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I understand, Jim.  But I have only to mention the whole Solar Power
>>> industry.  In that respect, our very own ARRL is doing the job FCC was
>>> originally chartered to do.
>>>
>>> Dave - WØLEV
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 9:41 PM James Jordan <k4qpl2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think we can all be a bit more constructive on this reflector and stay
>>>> on point to solve the problems ourselves. Get out on the Interstate and
>>>> check out the number of serious speeders. How many cops would it take to
>>>> catch them all? Are we willing to pay enough taxes for that? I don't
>> think
>>>> so and the FCC has never had enough resources to run down all reported
>>>> violations. The country would never consent to paying for that in any
>> event.
>>>> 73,
>>>> Jim K4QPL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 4:42 PM David Eckhardt <davearea51a at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I realize the present FCC is just a collection of overpaid lawyers
>>>>> who
>>>>> wouldn't know RF if it bit them in the........ (you fill in the blank).
>>>>> Further, OET has been gutted.  Save some federal money and close down
>> the
>>>>> FCC.  There would be no major impact to the RF world.  Go the way of
>> CB.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave - WØLEV
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 5:35 PM Randy Farmer <w8fn at windstream.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In Washington. Run by lawyers. Lotsa luck there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73...
>>>>>> Randy, W8FN
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/25/2022 1:26 PM, David Eckhardt wrote:
>>>>>>> And again and again and again and again,...........WHERE IS THE
>> FCC?
>>>>> ? ?
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>> ? ?  !  ! !! !! !! !!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave - WØLEV
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> RFI mailing list
>>>>>> RFI at contesting.com
>>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rfi
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Dave - WØLEV*
>>>>> *Just Let Darwin Work*
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> RFI mailing list
>>>>> RFI at contesting.com
>>>>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rfi
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Dave - WØLEV*
>>> *Just Let Darwin Work*
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> *Dave - WØLEV*
>> *Just Let Darwin Work*
>> _______________________________________________
>> RFI mailing list
>> RFI at contesting.com
>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/rfi
>>
> 
> 