[RFI] HVAC - some observations

[Hare, Ed, W1RFI]

It's not entirely right, but the reality of the situation is that the FCC is only going to spend a portion of its time doing RFI things related to amateur radio and our work is what lets them focus on only what the FCC can do.
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From: David Eckhardt <davearea51a at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 12:26 PM
To: Hare, Ed, W1RFI <w1rfi at arrl.org>
Cc: James Jordan <k4qpl2 at gmail.com>; Rfi List <rfi at contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] HVAC - some observations

Ed, I have trouble with ARRL doing the job FCC should be doing wrt the solar power (and others) industry.  After all, ARRL is offering this service at no expense.  I realize it's for the good of amateur radio, in general.  But our, your and my, tax money is supposed to be paying FCC to do what ARRL (and your lab) is volunteering.  It's just not right!!!

Not to mention the work of ARRL in taking FCC to court and winning against FCC for misrepresenting the BPL data.  That must have cost a bit of ARRL's funds?

Dave - WØLEV

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 4:19 PM Hare, Ed, W1RFI <w1rfi at arrl.org<mailto:w1rfi at arrl.org>> wrote:
My guess is that any agency is going to defer this back to FCC.  There is one difference between RF pollution and other pollution and that is that once the source is stopped, RF pollution is instantly gone.

FCC has regulations to control RF pollution, so trying to get another agency to write different regulations is not going to go anywhere, IMHO.

UL is not a regulatory agency, so they do not get involved even with ensuring that devices comply with FCC Part 15 or related rules. They approve things based solely on electrical safety.

Ed

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Subject: Re: [RFI] HVAC - some observations

Jim, you have a great idea.  I'm sure if the RFI from all sources,
especially solar power and SMPSs/inverters were treated as an environmental
hazard, it sure as heck would gain traction!!

Dave - WØLEV

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 3:00 AM James Jordan <k4qpl2 at gmail.com<mailto:k4qpl2 at gmail.com>> wrote:

> True. Maybe widespread spectrum pollution, which is what it really is,
> should be treated as an environmental problem and not a communications
> issue alone. And yes, ARRL shouldn’t have to carry the full load. What if
> Solar and HVAC had to prove no spectrum pollution to get signed off by UL
> to legally sell stuff. Maybe HF is effectively being abandoned and
> sacrificed in favor of the new world of devices which generate collateral
> HF RFI.
> Although while spinning the dial I did hear an aviation weather report USB
> around 3.3 MHz if I recall from Gander so at least a few services haven’t
> gone satellite or UHF. At 35,000 feet over the North Atlantic I guess
> there’s not much RFI unless generated on board!
> 73,
> Jim K4QPL
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 25, 2022, at 7:21 PM, David Eckhardt <davearea51a at gmail.com<mailto:davearea51a at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> 
> I understand, Jim.  But I have only to mention the whole Solar Power
> industry.  In that respect, our very own ARRL is doing the job FCC was
> originally chartered to do.
>
> Dave - WØLEV
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 9:41 PM James Jordan <k4qpl2 at gmail.com<mailto:k4qpl2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> I think we can all be a bit more constructive on this reflector and stay
>> on point to solve the problems ourselves. Get out on the Interstate and
>> check out the number of serious speeders. How many cops would it take to
>> catch them all? Are we willing to pay enough taxes for that? I don't think
>> so and the FCC has never had enough resources to run down all reported
>> violations. The country would never consent to paying for that in any event.
>> 73,
>> Jim K4QPL
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 4:42 PM David Eckhardt <davearea51a at gmail.com<mailto:davearea51a at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I realize the present FCC is just a collection of overpaid lawyers
>>> who
>>> wouldn't know RF if it bit them in the........ (you fill in the blank).
>>> Further, OET has been gutted.  Save some federal money and close down the
>>> FCC.  There would be no major impact to the RF world.  Go the way of CB.
>>>
>>> Dave - WØLEV
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 5:35 PM Randy Farmer <w8fn at windstream.net<mailto:w8fn at windstream.net>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > In Washington. Run by lawyers. Lotsa luck there.
>>> >
>>> > 73...
>>> > Randy, W8FN
>>> >
>>> > On 7/25/2022 1:26 PM, David Eckhardt wrote:
>>> > > And again and again and again and again,...........WHERE IS THE FCC?
>>> ? ?
>>> > ?
>>> > > ? ?  !  ! !! !! !! !!!
>>> > >
>>> > > Dave - WØLEV
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