[RTTY] AA5AU SARTG Score
JOHN DOBSON
w8wej at citynet.net
Tue Aug 19 20:30:03 EDT 2003
I hesitate to get in the middle of this,,, but, here goes:
first--until the FCC(remember them?) decides to do away with call areas,
then the calls are assigned by the area in which you are located when
licensed.<later vanity calls not withstanding>
second-- for contest purpose,,, what on earth is wrong with signing /8 or
whatever?? Is that really that big of a deal?? If so,, please consider
getting a life.
third--- maybe (or not) the most important thing is that if the contest
sponsor desires/requires the portable signing THEY should specify in the
rules the magical word "MUST'.
fourth--if the contest sponsors uses the magical word "MUST"in their rules,
then they "must" enforce their own rules.Ive seen far many big guns slide by
in contests just because they are big guns and no sponsor has the guts to
call the big guns on their game.
fifth--folks,, this is a hobby,,, it should be fun and enjoyable,, it seems
at times that the only ones that we have are each other,,, so why are we
picking each other to death going to accomplish?
and
sixth--lets just get on with life and the hobby and enjoy it as it is.
Im done
have a great day and a great life
73 john w8wej
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry " <w2up at mindspring.com>
To: "DJ3IW Goetz" <dj3iw at t-online.de>; "RTTY" <RTTY at contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [RTTY] AA5AU SARTG Score
> Hi Goetz,
> About 25(?) years ago, our FCC dropped the signing portable
> requirement. At one time, prior to that, it was required to sign /x.
> It was also required to notify the FCC of portable operations longer
> than a week (imagine that today!).
> At this time, a new ham is assigned a sequential callsign based on
> his QTH at the time of initial application. For example, if Joe
> Newham, of NH, passes his Tech license exam, he is assigned a call
> such as KD1XYZ. If he moves to CA tomorrow, he is still KD1XYZ. If
> KD1XYZ lives in NH and upgrades, he may request a vanity callsign.
> He could become W6XY, still in NH.
> You asked, "Why do your regulations require you to sign /portable
> using the "non-existing call areas" for portable operation?"
> There is no such regulation, unless the operation is outside the US.
>
> So, you see, the number in the call no longer means anything.
> Another post suggested that any multiplier info be included in the
> exchange. Excellent idea! Even if the multiplier info is the "call
> area," if the exchange included the state, the traditional 10 call
> area can be identified from that info.
> 73,
> Barry W2UP
>
> On 19 Aug 2003 at 17:05, DJ3IW Goetz wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > following this thread, the subject of signing call/x
> > seems to be a real problem for (some?) stateside contesters.
> > Barry, W2UP requested "International contest sponsors need
> > to realize that there are no US geographic call areas any
> > more."
> > Does the FCC issue new callsigns with area coding? Why do your
> > regulations require you to sign /portable using the "non-existing call
> > areas" for portable operation?
> >
> > I am, together with DJ3NG, DL2YCA and DL4RCK an international
> > contest sponsor. What do you want us to do? My interpretation
> > of Barrys request and the other comments made, is to DROP area
> > multipliers for the USA. Alaska and Hawaii would also have to
> > be counted as USA, as there are several AH6, KH6, NH6, WH6 and
> > KL0, AL7, KL7, NL7, WL7 operating from W4-, W7-, W9-areas etc.
> > Just one country multiplier and (using the DL-DX RTTY and SARTG RTTY
> > as an example) just 5 points for in-country contacts for all of you in
> > the 50 United States? Is it this what you guys want? Otherwise the
> > concept of country multipliers would have to be dropped altogether and
> > replaced by something else, like ITU- or CQ-zones.
> >
> > 73 de Goetz
> > dj3iw at t-online.de
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ken Brookner" <kenb at brookner.com>
> > To: <rtty at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:53 PM
> > Subject: RE: [RTTY] AA5AU SARTG Score
> >
> >
> > > i have a 5-land call and live in 7-land. i don't sign portable
> > > under any circumstances anymore. i used to, but caught flack from
> > > dx about doing so in contests. because of the various master call
> > > databases i had to become consistent, otherwise i would hear "/7??,"
> > > or "7 or not??" all the time from both phone and digital contests
> > > (and even dx during non-contest contacts) and this just slows
> > > everyone down.
> > >
> > > my preference for continental US ops is to disallow all portable
> > > signing during contests. for working by numbers, i'm a '5' and i
> > > don't play games trying to double dip in pile-ups by also trying the
> > > 'portable 7' ploy. where contests absolutely require portable
> > > signing, i generally don't play anymore.
> > >
> > > i think that would make it simpler for everyone to *not* use
> > > portable signage for US continental ops. my .02.
> > >
> > > kenb, ky5g
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com
> > > > [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > llindblom at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:11 AM To:
> > > > k5ww at wcsonline.net Cc: rtty at contesting.com Subject: Re: [RTTY]
> > > > AA5AU SARTG Score
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As always it seems many North Americans only understand
> > > > imperatives like "must" or "shall."
> > > >
> > > > My all time favorites are the stations who sometimes sign
> > > > portable and sometimes don't. This is typically done in a
> > > > pile up on rare DX working by call areas;-)
> > > >
> > > > 73 Larry L
> > > > W0ETC
> > > >
> > > > --- "Gert E. Janssens" <k5ww at wcsonline.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The rules for SARTG say:
> > > >
> > > > "NOTE: Stations operating from call areas other than their
> > > > call ID, are asked to use '/x' for their actual call area,
> > > > i.e. K5DJ/1."
> > > >
> > > > The word "asked" often gets "misinterpreted".
> > > >
> > > > 73,
> > > >
> > > > Gert - K5WW
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Barry
> > > > To: rtty at contesting.com
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:10 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [RTTY] AA5AU SARTG Score
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 18 Aug 2003 Shelby Summerville wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Don Hill AA5AU" <aa5au at bellsouth.net> wrote: "What
> > > > really pushed me to
> > > > > compete hard in the last two periods was a US station
> > > > with a 5 callsign not
> > > > > signing / portable the area he was in."
> > > > >
> > > > > Until contest sponsors make rules requiring, not
> > > > suggesting, signing
> > > > > "portable", there will be no change! Contest entrants are
> > > > notorious for
> > > > > "pushing the envelope", and, IMHO, it behooves the
> > > > sponsors to "stay one
> > > > > step ahead", not "several behind"?
> > > > >
> > > > > C'Ya, Shelby
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I thought it WAS required. I had some time available last
> > > > weekend, and was considering operating SARTG, but decided not to
> > > > when I saw that rule about signing portable. International
> > > > contest
> > > > sponsors need
> > > > to realize that there are no US geographic call areas any
> > > > more. All
> > > > the number means is where one was first licensed, if still
> > > > holding the original call. If one has have a vanity call even
> > > > that isn't true. I haven't lived in "2 land" since 1979 and I'm
> > > > not portable! Barry W2UP (in PA, not portable 3)-- Barry Kutner,
> > > > W2UP Internet: w2up at mindspring.com Newtown, PA
> > > > Frankford Radio Club
> > > >
> > >
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> --
> Barry Kutner, W2UP Internet: w2up at mindspring.com
> Newtown, PA Frankford Radio Club
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