[RTTY] BARTG exch, and 599 (or not)

[mikehaack at aim.com]

 From the my two cents department:

If it was only a few stations that made the RST error, I can fully blame the operators.
Its seems however to have been a wider problem then just a few, so maybe something added to it.

And I know this isn't all our first RTTY contest, or BARTG contest for that matter.
So we SHOULD know better.

I will however, tempt the flames, by pointing to the rules:

Messages will consist of:

      

(A) RST/ MESSAGE 
          NUMBER. The number must be a three figure group and start with 001 for 
          the first contact made.

(B) TIME GMT. A full 
          four figure GMT time must be sent as part of each message.

The way it seems to read could be part of it.
You could make the case the the exchange is in fact the Message Number and Time. A+B

Now If it said:
Messages will consist of:
?????????? A: RST
?????????? B:  MESSAGE 
          NUMBER. The number must be a three figure group and start with 001 for 
          the first contact made.
?????????? C: TIME GMT. A full 
          four figure GMT time must be sent as part of each message.

You then have A + B + C stated as the exchange.
With little room for interpretation.


And my thanks once again to John, GW4SKA and? the BARTG group for? all the work that goes into these tests.
Both before and AFTER the contest is over.

I will now go find my flameproof gloves..
73, Mike WB9B


-----Original Message-----

From: John GW4SKA <ska at bartg.demon.co.uk>
To: rtty at contesting.com; Phil Cooper, GU0SUP <pcooper at guernsey.net>
Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 3:00 pm
Subject: Re: [RTTY] BARTG exch, and 599 (or not)










Phil and all,

We are not being too pedantic. Keith GU6EFB has it exactly right; if the 
full exchange is not made and logged it is not a valid contact.

Yes, the RST is a total waste of time in any contest and should be 
completely removed. That's why the Sprint only has serial number as the 
exchange. In practice I could only take this step when drawing up the rules 
for what was a new contest. The aggravation involved in changing rules for 
an existing contest (mainly with software) makes any significant change 
almost impossible.

Don't forget that contest managers also operate in their own contests and 
monitor various events and behaviour. One regular and well known contest 
station last weekend refused to send me RST or time; I could only get a 
serial number. This was seen to happen over a string of contacts and his/her 
log will get bounced into the checklog pile.

Cheers,

John GW4SKA
BARTG Contest Manager



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Cooper" <pcooper at guernsey.net>
To: "RTTY" <rtty at contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [RTTY] BARTG exch, and 599 (or not)


> Hi all,
>
> Are we maybe being a little pedantic over the 599? I know the rules say we
> send RST + Serial Number, and yes, I do send an RST.
> BUT............ If you then take this a step further, do we penalise those
> who send 5NN as well??
> By the same token, 5NN is NOT 599!
>
> And what about those who send an RST when it is NOT required, as in the
> BARTG Sprint? Do you ignore those as well?
>
> The only time I tend NOT to log someone is if they disappear before
> completing the QSO. I had a few in BARTG who never responded to a request
> for a repeat of the serial number or time, so I didn't (well, couldn't!) 
> log
> them.
>
> Just my thoughts................
>
> 73 de Phil GU0SUP
>
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