[RTTY] BARTG exch, and 599 (or not)

[John GW4SKA]

The A + B or A + B + C point is well made and the rules could be confusing 
to first-timers. They will be changed before the 2009 contest.

There may be a few extras next year ... to celebrate 50 years of the BARTG.

Cheers,

John GW4SKA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mikehaack at aim.com>
To: <rtty at contesting.com>; <ska at bartg.demon.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [RTTY] BARTG exch, and 599 (or not)


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> From the my two cents department:
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> If it was only a few stations that made the RST error, I can fully blame 
> the operators.
> Its seems however to have been a wider problem then just a few, so maybe 
> something added to it.
>
> And I know this isn't all our first RTTY contest, or BARTG contest for 
> that matter.
> So we SHOULD know better.
>
> I will however, tempt the flames, by pointing to the rules:
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> Messages will consist of:
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> (A) RST/ MESSAGE
>          NUMBER. The number must be a three figure group and start with 
> 001 for
>          the first contact made.
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> (B) TIME GMT. A full
>          four figure GMT time must be sent as part of each message.
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> The way it seems to read could be part of it.
> You could make the case the the exchange is in fact the Message Number and 
> Time. A+B
>
> Now If it said:
> Messages will consist of:
> ?????????? A: RST
> ?????????? B:  MESSAGE
>          NUMBER. The number must be a three figure group and start with 
> 001 for
>          the first contact made.
> ?????????? C: TIME GMT. A full
>          four figure GMT time must be sent as part of each message.
>
> You then have A + B + C stated as the exchange.
> With little room for interpretation.
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>
> And my thanks once again to John, GW4SKA and? the BARTG group for? all the 
> work that goes into these tests.
> Both before and AFTER the contest is over.
>
> I will now go find my flameproof gloves..
> 73, Mike WB9B
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: John GW4SKA <ska at bartg.demon.co.uk>
> To: rtty at contesting.com; Phil Cooper, GU0SUP <pcooper at guernsey.net>
> Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 3:00 pm
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] BARTG exch, and 599 (or not)
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> Phil and all,
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> We are not being too pedantic. Keith GU6EFB has it exactly right; if the
> full exchange is not made and logged it is not a valid contact.
>
> Yes, the RST is a total waste of time in any contest and should be
> completely removed. That's why the Sprint only has serial number as the
> exchange. In practice I could only take this step when drawing up the 
> rules
> for what was a new contest. The aggravation involved in changing rules for
> an existing contest (mainly with software) makes any significant change
> almost impossible.
>
> Don't forget that contest managers also operate in their own contests and
> monitor various events and behaviour. One regular and well known contest
> station last weekend refused to send me RST or time; I could only get a
> serial number. This was seen to happen over a string of contacts and 
> his/her
> log will get bounced into the checklog pile.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John GW4SKA
> BARTG Contest Manager
>
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Phil Cooper" <pcooper at guernsey.net>
> To: "RTTY" <rtty at contesting.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] BARTG exch, and 599 (or not)
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>> Hi all,
>>
>> Are we maybe being a little pedantic over the 599? I know the rules say 
>> we
>> send RST + Serial Number, and yes, I do send an RST.
>> BUT............ If you then take this a step further, do we penalise 
>> those
>> who send 5NN as well??
>> By the same token, 5NN is NOT 599!
>>
>> And what about those who send an RST when it is NOT required, as in the
>> BARTG Sprint? Do you ignore those as well?
>>
>> The only time I tend NOT to log someone is if they disappear before
>> completing the QSO. I had a few in BARTG who never responded to a request
>> for a repeat of the serial number or time, so I didn't (well, couldn't!)
>> log
>> them.
>>
>> Just my thoughts................
>>
>> 73 de Phil GU0SUP
>>
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