[RTTY] CQ to accept eQSL for Awards..

[Andy GD0TEP]

Joe,

Not wishing to hijack the RTTY reflector, I'll make one short response to
your  "simply not telling the truth" comment.

Simply put, I neither need, want, or desire to send any information of mine
to persons unknown who reside in a foreign country.

My hope is that you'll accept my reasons, just as you'll accept that my
license is complete and legitimate. And should we ever work each other,
you'll also accept one of my QSL cards.  

73 Andy
http://www.gd0tep.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:lists at subich.com] 
Sent: 14 January 2009 19:24
To: 'Andy GD0TEP'; 'Jim W7RY'; 'RTTY Reflector'
Subject: RE: [RTTY] CQ to accept eQSL for Awards..


Yes, the attitude of those who won't provide proof of license and proof of
identity to participate in LotW is a problem.  The arguments concerning "the
card within a bundle" being sufficient to receive DXCC credit made at
http://www.gd0tep.com/lotw.htm are not germane to the issue of proving
identity which is at the heart of the LotW system.  Quite simply, a copy of
the license proves only that the license exists (I can generate a photocopy
of ANY US license from the FCC web site) but does not prove that the person
submitting it is the person who is licensed or that they are authorized to
submit it.  The second step - an identity document - is a minimally
intrusive way to show that the applicant is the person they are represented
to be. 

I was preparing a CQ award submission when the news concerning their
acceptance of eQSL was released.  I have terminated that process and deleted
the records as the CQ awards are no longer credible in my opinion.  That
credibility was lost with the acceptance of eQSL "confirmations."  

I have recently received requests for confirmations in eQSL from a very well
known Israeli DXer for QSOs that were made and CONFIRMED BY CARD (and in
some cases LotW) by other 4X stations. 
I reported that improper solicitation to eQSL with documentation of the
calls, dates and times but the individual involved has not been removed from
eQSL or even had his "Authenticity Guaranteed" status revoked.  Since the
initial report, I have even received additional requests for "confirmations"
from the same user again for qsos made and confirmed WITH OTHER 4X stations
since I filed the initial complaint with eQSL.  

Any individual or award sponsor who recognizes "confirmations" 
from a system so obviously open to fraud has no credibility in my eyes.
Anyone who can't be bothered to provide documentation as simple as a
photocopy of a license and government issued ID is simply not telling the
truth about their real reasons for not participating in the only credible
system of electronic confirmation. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com 
> [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf Of Andy GD0TEP
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:34 PM
> To: 'Jim W7RY'; 'RTTY Reflector'
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] CQ to accept eQSL for Awards..
> 
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> Some time ago I put a page on my web site explaining the 
> reasons why, but, rather than stir it up, I let it lie, after 
> all, not taking part in the LOTW wasn't affecting me.
> 
> Here's the page if you'd like to know why: 
> http://www.gd0tep.com/lotw.htm
> 
> 73 Andy
> http://www.gd0tep.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim W7RY [mailto:w7ry at arrl.net] 
> Sent: 14 January 2009 13:27
> To: Andy GD0TEP; 'RTTY Reflector'
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] CQ to accept eQSL for Awards..
> 
> Information?  Why is that a problem?
> 
> 73
> Jim W7RY
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andy GD0TEP" <andy at gd0tep.com>
> To: "'RTTY Reflector'" <rtty at contesting.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] CQ to accept eQSL for Awards..
> 
> 
> > Due to the amount of information LOTW wants from overseas stations, 
> > eQSL
> > is
> > the preferred on line log for me.
> >
> > Hats off to CQ for their forward thinking.. (and eQSL for the small 
> > amount of hoops to jump through)
> >
> > 73 Andy
> > http://www.gd0tep.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com 
> [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] 
> > On Behalf Of Peter Laws
> > Sent: 14 January 2009 01:10
> > To: RTTY Reflector
> > Subject: -----SPAM----- Re: [RTTY] CQ to accept eQSL for Awards..
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:03, Iain MacDonnell - N6ML 
> <ar at dseven.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> Anyone know where that is?  I assume eqsl.cc charges a 
> fee, but I'm 
> >>> curious to see what it is.
> >>
> >> There's no fee for AG. Various methods at:
> >>
> >> http://www.eqsl.cc/qslcard/authenticity.cfm
> >
> > Have to make a login first.  Tacky.  I'd like to see all details 
> > before I join.
> >
> >