[RTTY] CQ to accept EQSL for awards

[Robert Chudek - K0RC]

Peter,

First, I didn't start the thread, I just jumped in with the clarification 
about requests "showing up".

On eQSL you cannot see the other stations log. BUT you can see any cards 
they sent to you. So in the case of the 100 bogus QSOs I mentioned, yes you 
would see all 100 of them in the eQSL system. You have the option to accept 
them or reject them. They are not valid until you accept them. It's a double 
entry system, but it's not double blind, like LoTW.

This is a 'nice' feature for the honest people. I get enough cards where I 
must reject some. There are many reasons, but many times it will be a 
"busted QSO" from a contest. There's two ways (maybe more) that this can 
happen. I might get in a pile up calling XX9XX, they answer me and we 
exchange contest info. Unbeknown to me, KØRF was calling the same station 
and that's who the other guy actually logged. So when I send my eQSL to 
XX9XX, I will not be in his log. Likewise, it works the other way. I might 
have a pile up working me and I answer ZZ9ZZ and put him in the log. In that 
pile up there might be a station that 'thinks' I worked them, ZZ8ZZ for 
example. I will receive an eQSL request from both stations, for the same 
time, same mode, same band, but only ZZ9ZZ will be in my log. It's up to me 
to reject (or not accept) the wrong confirmation.

Certainly there are "trollers" out there. That's the guy who sends 100 cards 
looking for a "hit" on LoTW. You won't know this on LoTW because you can't 
see anything except the contacts that match. On eQSL you will get all 100 
requests and quickly see what is going on.

There's more reasons for getting non-matching QSL requests on eQSL. 
Sometimes the other guy has his logging software set to local time instead 
of UTC. An honest mistake. I found a bunch of my own logs from 40 years ago 
were logged in local time. Then there's the problem when switching to 
daylight saving time and back. If this error isn't caught, you won't get a 
match, but you might figure it out on eQSL because you can see the incoming 
request is one hour off.

Yesterday I was sitting here reading the banter back and forth regarding the 
certifications to prove "who you are". This whole "game" is only as 
important as we want to make it. It's not life or death, but for some, it's 
more important than that. The DXCC system has been effectively "sold" to the 
participants and they have "bought" it. It's too bad we've had crooks in the 
White House... oh sorry, the DXCC program that has caused this level of 
paranoia and stringent criteria to be implemented in the system.

Someone else said it yesterday. It's a hobby. When someone (non-ham) talks 
to me about "radio", they almost always ask "how far can you talk?". A chunk 
of wood on the wall, a drawer full of postcards, or a book of certificates 
isn't going to impress them any more than your answer to their question. It 
isn't important to them. It's only important to your peers. You know, peer 
pressure. "Hey mom, Johnnie is going to jump off the bridge, can I go with 
him?"

</soapbox>

73 de Bob - KØRC in MN



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Laws" <plaws0 at gmail.com>
To: "RTTY Reflector" <rtty at contesting.com>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [RTTY] CQ to accept EQSL for awards


> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 21:11, Robert Chudek - K0RC <k0rc at citlink.net> 
> wrote:
>> Contacts only "show up" on eQSL. I could upload 100 contacts into LoTW 
>> with
>> you, but if your log doesn't match any of my records, you will never know
>> they are there.
>
>
> That's what I thought - the way you wrote it wasn't clear and I
> couldn't figure out how you'd engineer that with LoTW, since LoTW is
> "blind".
>
> I see when I search for my call on eQSL, I seem to have hundreds of
> "cards" waiting.
>
> Are you saying that I can see all the other guy's QSO info before I
> upload my log to eQSL?
>
> If that's true, then I could just fabricate a QSO to match.  I can't
> see the other guy's QSO info on LoTW *until* I match, so I can't troll
> for QSLs the same way.  You certainly could manufacture QSLs on LoTW,
> but you'd have to do it in cooperation with the other stations.
>
> Interesting.
>
>
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>
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