[RTTY] CQ to accept EQSL for awards

[Phil Sussman]

Bob,

All I can say is: AMEN !

73 de Phil - N8PS

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Quoting Robert Chudek - K0RC <k0rc at citlink.net>:

> Peter,
> 
> First, I didn't start the thread, I just jumped in with the clarification 
> about requests "showing up".
> 
> On eQSL you cannot see the other stations log. BUT you can see any cards 
> they sent to you. So in the case of the 100 bogus QSOs I mentioned, yes you 
> would see all 100 of them in the eQSL system. You have the option to accept 
> them or reject them. They are not valid until you accept them. It's a double
> 
> entry system, but it's not double blind, like LoTW.
> 
> This is a 'nice' feature for the honest people. I get enough cards where I 
> must reject some. There are many reasons, but many times it will be a 
> "busted QSO" from a contest. There's two ways (maybe more) that this can 
> happen. I might get in a pile up calling XX9XX, they answer me and we 
> exchange contest info. Unbeknown to me, KØRF was calling the same station 
> and that's who the other guy actually logged. So when I send my eQSL to 
> XX9XX, I will not be in his log. Likewise, it works the other way. I might 
> have a pile up working me and I answer ZZ9ZZ and put him in the log. In that
> 
> pile up there might be a station that 'thinks' I worked them, ZZ8ZZ for 
> example. I will receive an eQSL request from both stations, for the same 
> time, same mode, same band, but only ZZ9ZZ will be in my log. It's up to me 
> to reject (or not accept) the wrong confirmation.
> 
> Certainly there are "trollers" out there. That's the guy who sends 100 cards
> 
> looking for a "hit" on LoTW. You won't know this on LoTW because you can't 
> see anything except the contacts that match. On eQSL you will get all 100 
> requests and quickly see what is going on.
> 
> There's more reasons for getting non-matching QSL requests on eQSL. 
> Sometimes the other guy has his logging software set to local time instead 
> of UTC. An honest mistake. I found a bunch of my own logs from 40 years ago 
> were logged in local time. Then there's the problem when switching to 
> daylight saving time and back. If this error isn't caught, you won't get a 
> match, but you might figure it out on eQSL because you can see the incoming 
> request is one hour off.
> 
> Yesterday I was sitting here reading the banter back and forth regarding the
> 
> certifications to prove "who you are". This whole "game" is only as 
> important as we want to make it. It's not life or death, but for some, it's 
> more important than that. The DXCC system has been effectively "sold" to the
> 
> participants and they have "bought" it. It's too bad we've had crooks in the
> 
> White House... oh sorry, the DXCC program that has caused this level of 
> paranoia and stringent criteria to be implemented in the system.
> 
> Someone else said it yesterday. It's a hobby. When someone (non-ham) talks 
> to me about "radio", they almost always ask "how far can you talk?". A chunk
> 
> of wood on the wall, a drawer full of postcards, or a book of certificates 
> isn't going to impress them any more than your answer to their question. It 
> isn't important to them. It's only important to your peers. You know, peer 
> pressure. "Hey mom, Johnnie is going to jump off the bridge, can I go with 
> him?"
> 
> </soapbox>
> 
> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Laws" <plaws0 at gmail.com>
> To: "RTTY Reflector" <rtty at contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] CQ to accept EQSL for awards
> 
> 
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 21:11, Robert Chudek - K0RC <k0rc at citlink.net> 
> > wrote:
> >> Contacts only "show up" on eQSL. I could upload 100 contacts into LoTW 
> >> with
> >> you, but if your log doesn't match any of my records, you will never know
> >> they are there.
> >
> >
> > That's what I thought - the way you wrote it wasn't clear and I
> > couldn't figure out how you'd engineer that with LoTW, since LoTW is
> > "blind".
> >
> > I see when I search for my call on eQSL, I seem to have hundreds of
> > "cards" waiting.
> >
> > Are you saying that I can see all the other guy's QSO info before I
> > upload my log to eQSL?
> >
> > If that's true, then I could just fabricate a QSO to match.  I can't
> > see the other guy's QSO info on LoTW *until* I match, so I can't troll
> > for QSLs the same way.  You certainly could manufacture QSLs on LoTW,
> > but you'd have to do it in cooperation with the other stations.
> >
> > Interesting.
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!
> >
> > No Trillion-dollar blank check for crooks!
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