[RTTY] Cheating

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

There is no contest that has a "multi-transmitter" class for
single operators.  Even for multi-operator classes the class
is based on the number of simultaneous SIGNALS not the number
of transmitters in the station.

Keep the discussion productions - stop the class warfare.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/14/2010 5:05 PM, James Colville wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV<lists at subich.com>  wrote:
>
>>
>> Marty,
>>
>> Like you I'm tired of the semi-annual attack on SO2R operators and
>> those who use every alleged instance of cheating as a pretense to
>> attack SO2R.
>>
>>   >  A single op operating one station cannot compete with another
>>   >  single op who possess the skill and hardware to operate two
>>   >  stations almost simo.
>>
>> And the answer to that is "so what?"  Nowhere else in amateur
>> radio do we separate operators by skill levels, antenna size,
>> transceiver sensitivity, number of receivers, or any number
>> of other parameters.
>>
>> ## On the contrary.
> ## We put those folks in the multi transmitter class.
>
>
>
>> Keep the discussion productive and address cheating - stop using
>> the cheating problem as a pretense to engage in the amateur
>> equivalent of class warfare.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>     ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>> On 6/14/2010 4:23 PM, Martin Bluhm wrote:
>>> Sorry Joe, but have to disagree with you on this one up to a point. On
>> the
>>> cheating angle, I have to agree.
>>> This horse was ridden very hard and hung up soaking wet a few months
>> back.
>>> My feelings towards SO2R have not changed; although
>>> Like I say in the terms of cheating, I go along with you. Not opening the
>>> former thread again, it comes down to a competitive nature,
>>> Where the SO2R ops should be in a class by themselves. They are very
>> skilled
>>> and my hats off to them for doing what they do. A single op operating one
>>> station cannot compete with another single op who possess the skill and
>>> hardware to operate two stations almost simo. The numbers do not add up.
>>> Let them compete with each other. That is the only way.
>>>
>>> Enough said, back into the woodwork.
>>> 73
>>> Marty
>>> W8AKS
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com]On
>>> Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
>>> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 20:13
>>> To: rtty at contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] Cheating
>>>
>>>
>>>    >   I think SO2R should be in a class by itself. IN ALL CONTESTES... Or
>>>    >   lump it together with some multi class.
>>>
>>> No! When used properly SO2R is nothing more than a way to change bands
>>> quickly.  If the operator has the hardware and skill to to that legally
>>> there is nothing wrong with SO2R.  If the operator lacks skill (and
>>> ethical compass) to use the hardware within the rules, report him/her
>>> to the contest sponsors for the necessary action.
>>>
>>> There is no justification for treating one set of SINGLE OPERATORS any
>>> differently from any others based only on the hardware located in their
>>> stations.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>       ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>> On 6/14/2010 1:36 PM, James Colville wrote:
>>>> Agreed Cheryl!
>>>> I think SO2R should be in a class by itself. IN ALL CONTESTES... Or lump
>>> it
>>>> together with some multi class.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Jim W7RY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Cheryl Whitlock<cherwhit at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Don and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheating is one of the reasons I do not like SO2R. That is bad enough,
>>> but
>>>>> it ties up too many frequencies on already crowded bands on contests
>>>>> weekends as well. I don't see things changing until contest sponsors
>>> start
>>>>> banning SO2R from the contests, which I would cheer if they did. It
>>> really
>>>>> irks me to call CQ and get a message that the frequency is in use, but
>> no
>>>>> immediate contacts are made.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as cheating in general, I know a ham who has run high power in
>> the
>>>>> contest, but enters under low power. What is the thrill in that?
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheryl, AA4YL
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> Jim W7RY
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