[RTTY] Cheating

Mon Jun 14 14:35:22 PDT 2010

Sounds like there needs to be... After this last weekend.

Stop the class warfare... Make SO2R a separate class.

73
Jim W7RY

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:

>
> There is no contest that has a "multi-transmitter" class for
> single operators.  Even for multi-operator classes the class
> is based on the number of simultaneous SIGNALS not the number
> of transmitters in the station.
>
> Keep the discussion productions - stop the class warfare.
>
> 73,
>
>   ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 6/14/2010 5:05 PM, James Colville wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV<lists at subich.com>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Marty,
>>>
>>> Like you I'm tired of the semi-annual attack on SO2R operators and
>>> those who use every alleged instance of cheating as a pretense to
>>> attack SO2R.
>>>
>>>  >  A single op operating one station cannot compete with another
>>>  >  single op who possess the skill and hardware to operate two
>>>  >  stations almost simo.
>>>
>>> And the answer to that is "so what?"  Nowhere else in amateur
>>> radio do we separate operators by skill levels, antenna size,
>>> transceiver sensitivity, number of receivers, or any number
>>> of other parameters.
>>>
>>> ## On the contrary.
>>>
>> ## We put those folks in the multi transmitter class.
>>
>>
>>
>> Keep the discussion productive and address cheating - stop using
>>> the cheating problem as a pretense to engage in the amateur
>>> equivalent of class warfare.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>> On 6/14/2010 4:23 PM, Martin Bluhm wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry Joe, but have to disagree with you on this one up to a point. On
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> cheating angle, I have to agree.
>>>> This horse was ridden very hard and hung up soaking wet a few months
>>>>
>>> back.
>>>
>>>> My feelings towards SO2R have not changed; although
>>>> Like I say in the terms of cheating, I go along with you. Not opening
>>>> the
>>>> former thread again, it comes down to a competitive nature,
>>>> Where the SO2R ops should be in a class by themselves. They are very
>>>>
>>> skilled
>>>
>>>> and my hats off to them for doing what they do. A single op operating
>>>> one
>>>> station cannot compete with another single op who possess the skill and
>>>> hardware to operate two stations almost simo. The numbers do not add up.
>>>> Let them compete with each other. That is the only way.
>>>>
>>>> Enough said, back into the woodwork.
>>>> 73
>>>> Marty
>>>> W8AKS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com
>>>> ]On
>>>> Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 20:13
>>>> To: rtty at contesting.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] Cheating
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   >   I think SO2R should be in a class by itself. IN ALL CONTESTES...
>>>> Or
>>>>   >   lump it together with some multi class.
>>>>
>>>> No! When used properly SO2R is nothing more than a way to change bands
>>>> quickly.  If the operator has the hardware and skill to to that legally
>>>> there is nothing wrong with SO2R.  If the operator lacks skill (and
>>>> ethical compass) to use the hardware within the rules, report him/her
>>>> to the contest sponsors for the necessary action.
>>>>
>>>> There is no justification for treating one set of SINGLE OPERATORS any
>>>> differently from any others based only on the hardware located in their
>>>> stations.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>>      ... Joe, W4TV
>>>>
>>>> On 6/14/2010 1:36 PM, James Colville wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Agreed Cheryl!
>>>>> I think SO2R should be in a class by itself. IN ALL CONTESTES... Or
>>>>> lump
>>>>>
>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>> together with some multi class.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Jim W7RY
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Cheryl Whitlock<cherwhit at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don and all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheating is one of the reasons I do not like SO2R. That is bad enough,
>>>>>>
>>>>> but
>>>>
>>>>> it ties up too many frequencies on already crowded bands on contests
>>>>>> weekends as well. I don't see things changing until contest sponsors
>>>>>>
>>>>> start
>>>>
>>>>> banning SO2R from the contests, which I would cheer if they did. It
>>>>>>
>>>>> really
>>>>
>>>>> irks me to call CQ and get a message that the frequency is in use, but
>>>>>>
>>>>> no
>>>
>>>>  immediate contacts are made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as cheating in general, I know a ham who has run high power in
>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>  contest, but enters under low power. What is the thrill in that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheryl, AA4YL
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>> Jim W7RY
>>
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