[RTTY] ST0R

Gedking at aol.com Gedking at aol.com
Mon Aug 1 15:29:14 PDT 2011 

Us folks in the 8-9-0 call area seem to get the short end of the stick  
they should follow the Propagation not 1 2 3 ect  they don't remember that  6 
ad 7 is on the west coast. and when they get to the Midwest a lot of times 
the  propagation is going away.
ED K8OT
 
 
In a message dated 8/1/2011 10:45:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
akozak at hourglass.com writes:

I'm not  a fan or running by the numbers either if they spend 15 minutes on 
a single  number.  The guy on 17m was going from 0-9 in about 15 minutes.  
He  made two passes for NA then shifted to SA.

In my mind, the purpose of  calling by the numbers is to reduce the QRM by 
90%.  For NA, it gives the  folks in 8, 9 and 0 land a chance to be heard 
over the wall if the propagation  allows..

Al
AB2ZY

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From:  rtty-bounces at contesting.com [rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf 
Of Nelson  Moyer [ku0a at mchsi.com]
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:07 AM
To: 'RTTY  Contesting'
Subject: Re: [RTTY] ST0R

I'm not a big fan of running by  the numbers. Observing propagation and
running by the numbers are usually  mutually exclusive for us in the black
hole. By the time they get to the  zeros, the band has closed. I agree that
they could observe propagation by  continent, but even that is problematic 
in
NA, where there significant  propagation differences between the East and
West Coasts and the Gulf Coast  and the Upper Midwest. I find little
justification for running EU and NA at  the same time, when EU has a
significant geographical and propagation  advantage and only the East Coast
is occasionally breaking the pileup. The  rest of NA hopefuls are just
causing QRM by calling.

Two of my three  RTTY Qs were toward the upper end of the split. The third Q
was in a less  crowded spot between the pileup nodes on each end of the
split. Both ops  were moving around. EA5RM on 17 meters was the hardest to
work because he  jumped around apparently randomly a lot. DH8WR was much
easier to work,  even though 15 meter print was spotty. DH8WR on 20 meters
was by far the  easiest to work, but I got him early in the pileup. DH8WR 
was
much easier  to track, and he tended to work the edges and find the callers
in the open  (less crowded) spots. I don't think it's fair to compare rates,
because of  the differences in pileups, propagation, and QRMers.

ST0R has done the  RTTY community a huge favor by not waiting to the end of
the operation to  run RTTY, as do many Dxpeditions. By working RTTY from the
beginning of the  operation, everybody should eventually have a chance to 
log
them. The other  favor they've done is to run RTTY on several bands, giving
more people a  chance to work them on their best antenna. ST0R could take 
the
Dxpedition  record for RTTY Qs. The current log update shows 9,933 RTTY Qs
for 14.58%  of the total Qs worked. Great job!

Nelson, KU0A

-----Original  Message-----
From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com  [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On
Behalf Of Al Kozakiewicz
Sent:  Sunday, July 31, 2011 11:26 PM
To: 'Fred Souto Maior';  rtty at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] ST0R


You're right, of  course, but then what's the point of spreading everyone 
out
over 15 kHz if  you're never going to listen over the whole range?
Especially with RTTY, a  bunch of operators chasing the DX station up and
down the band just creates  a whole bunch of signals that can't be decoded
because they're all on top  of one another.

The ST0R pileups are (IMO) outside the norm and I would  think the DX
operators could help themselves considerably by:

A. One  continent at a time
B. Be cognizant of propagation on the band
C. By the  numbers

The guy running phone on 17m this afternoon was doing just  that, listening
on one frequency and he was making excellent QSO  rates.

Al
AB2ZY

-----Original Message-----
From:  rtty-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On
Behalf  Of Fred Souto Maior
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:01 PM
To:  rtty at contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RTTY] ST0R

Nelson:

Usually  you can find people calling them blind 1, 2 kcs up when they are
working  stns 5, 6 up. Those guys never stop to find last station worked or
to see  if the op is going up the band after each qso, or going down ... 
they
only  put 1 kc up and start to call and call and call all the time ... of
course  they never will make the qso. And of course they will make a lot of
QRM to  the DX stn calling only 1 up. But there are operators and OPERATORS
...  what we can do ??? Best regards

Fred - PY7ZZ


Em 31/07/2011  19:09, Nelson Moyer escreveu:
> They aren't THAT difficult to work! I  found success by calling in
> openings when I couldn't find the last  QSO. Granted, there aren't
> always opening with RTTY bandwidth and a  short split range, but it
> worked for two bands that way
> (17  and 15 meters), and I didn't spend more than 30 min. to an hour
>  calling from Iowa with 500 watts and a TH-11 on a 50 ft. tower. For
>  the third band (20 meters), I found the last station worked slightly
>  above the pileup and called on that frequency three times. Third time
>  was charm. I haven't printed them on 30 meter RTTY yet.
>
> I  spent much more time listening than calling. If more stations did
>  that, it would be easier to work them because we could find the
>  station being worked easier. Calling incessantly on RTTY only jams the
>  split for everyone. The pileup discipline has been nonexistent on all
>  modes except CW, probably because fewer ops nowadays can copy and send
>  CW at 30 wpm ;)
>
> Nelson, KU0A
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com  [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com]
> On Behalf Of Dick White
>  Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 3:57 PM
> To: RTTY Contesting
>  Subject: [RTTY] ST0R
>
>
>
> There will probably be  many frustrating stories about the ST0R
> DXpedition. I had a harrowing  experience yesterday working them on 20
> meter RTTY. I was at the rig 5  hours. I was called by ST0R 4 times.
> The first 3 times my computer  program locked up when I tried to send
> my "DX REPLY" macro. I finally  got a 4th reply and I sent my reply and
> did not use any macros. What a  relief to a frustrating afternoon. Got
> them on 20 meters at 0135z. I  am one happy camper. Now to get them on CW.
>
> 73   Dick  KS0M
>
> Richard C. "Dick" White
> Fulton,  Missouri 65251 U.S.A.
> whiter26 at sbcglobal.net
>
> "We make  a living by what we do.
>   We make a life by what we  give."
>                Winston  Churchill
>
> Amateur Radio Station:  KS0M
>
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