[RTTY] ST0R

Robert Chudek - K0RC k0rc at citlink.net
Mon Aug 1 15:41:41 PDT 2011 

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On 8/1/2011 5:29 PM, Gedking at aol.com wrote:
> Us folks in the 8-9-0 call area seem to get the short end of the stick
> they should follow the Propagation not 1 2 3 ect  they don't remember that  6
> ad 7 is on the west coast. and when they get to the Midwest a lot of times
> the  propagation is going away.
> ED K8OT
>
>
> In a message dated 8/1/2011 10:45:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> akozak at hourglass.com writes:
>
> I'm not  a fan or running by the numbers either if they spend 15 minutes on
> a single  number.  The guy on 17m was going from 0-9 in about 15 minutes.
> He  made two passes for NA then shifted to SA.
>
> In my mind, the purpose of  calling by the numbers is to reduce the QRM by
> 90%.  For NA, it gives the  folks in 8, 9 and 0 land a chance to be heard
> over the wall if the propagation  allows..
>
> Al
> AB2ZY
>
> ________________________________________
> From:  rtty-bounces at contesting.com [rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On Behalf
> Of Nelson  Moyer [ku0a at mchsi.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:07 AM
> To: 'RTTY  Contesting'
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] ST0R
>
> I'm not a big fan of running by  the numbers. Observing propagation and
> running by the numbers are usually  mutually exclusive for us in the black
> hole. By the time they get to the  zeros, the band has closed. I agree that
> they could observe propagation by  continent, but even that is problematic
> in
> NA, where there significant  propagation differences between the East and
> West Coasts and the Gulf Coast  and the Upper Midwest. I find little
> justification for running EU and NA at  the same time, when EU has a
> significant geographical and propagation  advantage and only the East Coast
> is occasionally breaking the pileup. The  rest of NA hopefuls are just
> causing QRM by calling.
>
> Two of my three  RTTY Qs were toward the upper end of the split. The third Q
> was in a less  crowded spot between the pileup nodes on each end of the
> split. Both ops  were moving around. EA5RM on 17 meters was the hardest to
> work because he  jumped around apparently randomly a lot. DH8WR was much
> easier to work,  even though 15 meter print was spotty. DH8WR on 20 meters
> was by far the  easiest to work, but I got him early in the pileup. DH8WR
> was
> much easier  to track, and he tended to work the edges and find the callers
> in the open  (less crowded) spots. I don't think it's fair to compare rates,
> because of  the differences in pileups, propagation, and QRMers.
>
> ST0R has done the  RTTY community a huge favor by not waiting to the end of
> the operation to  run RTTY, as do many Dxpeditions. By working RTTY from the
> beginning of the  operation, everybody should eventually have a chance to
> log
> them. The other  favor they've done is to run RTTY on several bands, giving
> more people a  chance to work them on their best antenna. ST0R could take
> the
> Dxpedition  record for RTTY Qs. The current log update shows 9,933 RTTY Qs
> for 14.58%  of the total Qs worked. Great job!
>
> Nelson, KU0A
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com  [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Al Kozakiewicz
> Sent:  Sunday, July 31, 2011 11:26 PM
> To: 'Fred Souto Maior';  rtty at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] ST0R
>
>
> You're right, of  course, but then what's the point of spreading everyone
> out
> over 15 kHz if  you're never going to listen over the whole range?
> Especially with RTTY, a  bunch of operators chasing the DX station up and
> down the band just creates  a whole bunch of signals that can't be decoded
> because they're all on top  of one another.
>
> The ST0R pileups are (IMO) outside the norm and I would  think the DX
> operators could help themselves considerably by:
>
> A. One  continent at a time
> B. Be cognizant of propagation on the band
> C. By the  numbers
>
> The guy running phone on 17m this afternoon was doing just  that, listening
> on one frequency and he was making excellent QSO  rates.
>
> Al
> AB2ZY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  rtty-bounces at contesting.com [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com] On
> Behalf  Of Fred Souto Maior
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:01 PM
> To:  rtty at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] ST0R
>
> Nelson:
>
> Usually  you can find people calling them blind 1, 2 kcs up when they are
> working  stns 5, 6 up. Those guys never stop to find last station worked or
> to see  if the op is going up the band after each qso, or going down ...
> they
> only  put 1 kc up and start to call and call and call all the time ... of
> course  they never will make the qso. And of course they will make a lot of
> QRM to  the DX stn calling only 1 up. But there are operators and OPERATORS
> ...  what we can do ??? Best regards
>
> Fred - PY7ZZ
>
>
> Em 31/07/2011  19:09, Nelson Moyer escreveu:
>> They aren't THAT difficult to work! I  found success by calling in
>> openings when I couldn't find the last  QSO. Granted, there aren't
>> always opening with RTTY bandwidth and a  short split range, but it
>> worked for two bands that way
>> (17  and 15 meters), and I didn't spend more than 30 min. to an hour
>>   calling from Iowa with 500 watts and a TH-11 on a 50 ft. tower. For
>>   the third band (20 meters), I found the last station worked slightly
>>   above the pileup and called on that frequency three times. Third time
>>   was charm. I haven't printed them on 30 meter RTTY yet.
>>
>> I  spent much more time listening than calling. If more stations did
>>   that, it would be easier to work them because we could find the
>>   station being worked easier. Calling incessantly on RTTY only jams the
>>   split for everyone. The pileup discipline has been nonexistent on all
>>   modes except CW, probably because fewer ops nowadays can copy and send
>>   CW at 30 wpm ;)
>>
>> Nelson, KU0A
>>
>> -----Original  Message-----
>> From: rtty-bounces at contesting.com  [mailto:rtty-bounces at contesting.com]
>> On Behalf Of Dick White
>>   Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 3:57 PM
>> To: RTTY Contesting
>>   Subject: [RTTY] ST0R
>>
>>
>>
>> There will probably be  many frustrating stories about the ST0R
>> DXpedition. I had a harrowing  experience yesterday working them on 20
>> meter RTTY. I was at the rig 5  hours. I was called by ST0R 4 times.
>> The first 3 times my computer  program locked up when I tried to send
>> my "DX REPLY" macro. I finally  got a 4th reply and I sent my reply and
>> did not use any macros. What a  relief to a frustrating afternoon. Got
>> them on 20 meters at 0135z. I  am one happy camper. Now to get them on CW.
>>
>> 73   Dick  KS0M
>>
>> Richard C. "Dick" White
>> Fulton,  Missouri 65251 U.S.A.
>> whiter26 at sbcglobal.net
>>
>> "We make  a living by what we do.
>>    We make a life by what we  give."
>>                 Winston  Churchill
>>
>> Amateur Radio Station:  KS0M
>>
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