[RTTY] (no subject)

Mike k4gmh at arrl.net
Mon Jan 16 14:59:51 PST 2012 

Regarding the sending of the call at the end of the exchange:

   - If I am running I'll only send the call of the station I'm answering
   at the end of the exchange (the call is always sent at the beginning of the
   exchange) when: a. Several stations answered my CQ and are still calling
   when start sending my exchange, or; b. When I think I may have started
   sending the exchange when he may still be transmitting, or; c. At the end
   of the "K1XXX TU(CR/LF)Now K2XX 599 VA VA K2XX (CR/LF)" exchange.
   - I don't send the other station's call, or my call, at the end of my
   S&P exchange.

Regarding "a." above, I sometimes still don't send the call at the end of
the exchange if I know my signal is strong into his location or the other
stations stop sending their calls about the same time the station I am
answering did, or the other stations calling were not as loud as the
station I answer.

You have to get a feel for when to send the call at the end of the
exchange.  Suspect I send the other station's call at the end of the
exchange about 50% of the time.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Jeff Blaine <keepwalking188 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Robert you are right.
>
> The place to get the run station's call is off his CQ.  Not off the
> exchange.
>
> 73/jeff/ac0c
> www.ac0c.com
> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Chudek - K0RC
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 1:26 PM
> To: rtty at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] (no subject)
>
> "Think about it.
> I am doing S/P tuning across his frequency and I see:
> k1xx 599<exch>  <exch>  k1xx"
>
> When I am in S&P and I come across this exchange, all I know is the
> station transmitting is not K1XX. The exchange is configured for the
> benefit of two stations trying to make a QSO as efficiently as possible.
> It is not configured to give a S&P station some advantage.
>
> "Who is the calling station?"
> As a S&P station, you will just have to wait and see.
>
> "Who is the station running the frequency?
> As a S&P station, you will just have to wait and see.
>
> "So who should I call?"
> As a S&P station, you will just have to wait and see.
>
> "Are you saying I should just send out my call without knowing who I am
> trying to contact."
> Absolutely NOT! You should never call blind! As a S&P station, you will
> just
> have to wait and see.
>
> "How about this:
> k1xx 599<exch>  <exch>  k1xx de w6wrt"
> That's just a waste of the transmitting stations time (and the receiving
> station as well).
>
> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 1/16/2012 12:57 PM, Richard Cariello wrote:
> > Bob,
> > That's what makes this a horse race. As the person who is running the
> > frequency the more time he gets his call out the better will be his rate.
> >
> > Think about it.
> > I am doing S/P tuning across his frequency and I see:
> > k1xx 599<exch>  <exch>  k1xx
> >
> > Who is the calling station?
> > Who is the station running the frequency?
> > So who should I call?
> > Are you saying I should just send out my call without knowing who I am
> > trying to contact. I see this allot but that station never gets called
> > because he has already been worked, just adding QRM to the frequency.
> >
> > You come across this type of operation allot during SSB contests. The
> > station will run signing as "QRZ". After a while I simply call the
> station
> > as "QRZ" but at least the next time I tune across this station I can at
> > least ID his voice.
> >
> > How about this:
> > k1xx 599<exch>  <exch>  k1xx de w6wrt
> >
> > As the station doing S/P this would let me see who is running the
> > frequency and give the station he is working the second chance to know it
> > is his report. Now I will know as the S/P station if I need him or not.
> >
> > Rich AA2MF
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Robert Chudek - K0RC wrote:
> >
> >> He is not signing as the other station. The other station already knows
> >> he is working W6WRT. It's a waste of time sending W6WRT again.
> >>
> >> Bill also knows his call sign, so there's no benefit for him seeing it
> >> again either.
> >>
> >> There is a benefit. That is when the first K1XX gets covered up by "tail
> >> enders" and "long callers". Nobody knows who the report is being sent to
> >> (other than W6WRT). Having the call sign on the end ensures the intended
> >> station knows he is being worked.
> >>
> >> I lost count of the number of times I received "4:XC-ALU4C 599 CA CA BK"
> >> on my screen. Then I simply WAIT until the station resends his report
> >> and I can tell whether he is working me or someone else.
> >>
> >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/16/2012 8:13 AM, Richard Cariello wrote:
> >>> Bill W6WRT,
> >>> I am just getting back into RTTY myself and greatly enjoying the mode.
> >>>
> >>> I am wondering why you are signing as the other station:
> >>>
> >>> ME:    K1XX 599<EXCH>   <EXCH>   K1XX
> >>>
> >>> I would use:
> >>>
> >>> ME:    k1xx 599<exch>   <exch>   w6wrt (your callsign)
> >>>
> >>> If conditions are bad then double the callsigns as needed to make the
> >>> QSO.
> >>>
> >>> Rich AA2MF
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 16, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Duane Budd wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Bill said:
> >>>>
> >>>> "When I'm running, I want to verify two things from the calling
> >>>> station:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. He's working me and not another station on the frequency that I
> >>>> can't
> >>>> hear.
> >>>>
> >>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. That he has my callsign correct.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unless the calling station sends my call at some point, how would I
> >>>> verify
> >>>> the above?
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's how I like it when I'm running:
> >>>>
> >>>> ME:    CQ TEST W6WRT W6WRT CQ
> >>>> HIM:    K1XX K1XX K1XX (or only twice if condx good, never just once)
> >>>> ME:    K1XX 599<EXCH>   <EXCH>   K1XX
> >>>> HIM:    W6WRT 599<EXCH>   <EXCH>   K1XX
> >>>> ME:    K1XX TU W6WRT CQ
> >>>>
> >>>> There is some redundancy in the above, but during a busy contest when
> >>>> often
> >>>> there are several stations on the same frequency, some redundancy is a
> >>>> necessity, IMO. Otherwise you are likely to log the wrong station.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73, Bill W6WRT"
> >>>>
> >>>> And that is exactly the way I do it and for the same reasons.
> >>>>
> >>>> While I am not a pro like AA5AU, I enjoy RTTY contesting and it has
> >>>> become
> >>>> my favorite operating joy...
> >>>>
> >>>> Budd, W5BEN
> >>>> dcbudd at embarqmail.com
> >>>> Johnson City, TN
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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-- 
   73,
   Mike, K4GMH

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