[RTTY] (no subject)

[Jeff Blaine]

Mike,

You may also want to drop that last CR/LF in favor of a space.  Otherwise you make the guy on the other end chase you up the page unnecessarily.

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From: Mike 
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:59 PM
To: rtty at contesting.com 
Cc: k0rc at citlink.net ; Jeff Blaine 
Subject: Re: [RTTY] (no subject)


Regarding the sending of the call at the end of the exchange:

  a.. If I am running I'll only send the call of the station I'm answering at the end of the exchange (the call is always sent at the beginning of the exchange) when: a. Several stations answered my CQ and are still calling when start sending my exchange, or; b. When I think I may have started sending the exchange when he may still be transmitting, or; c. At the end of the "K1XXX TU(CR/LF)Now K2XX 599 VA VA K2XX (CR/LF)" exchange.  

  b.. I don't send the other station's call, or my call, at the end of my S&P exchange.

Regarding "a." above, I sometimes still don't send the call at the end of the exchange if I know my signal is strong into his location or the other stations stop sending their calls about the same time the station I am answering did, or the other stations calling were not as loud as the station I answer.  

You have to get a feel for when to send the call at the end of the exchange.  Suspect I send the other station's call at the end of the exchange about 50% of the time.  


On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Jeff Blaine <keepwalking188 at yahoo.com> wrote:

  Robert you are right.

  The place to get the run station's call is off his CQ.  Not off the
  exchange.

  73/jeff/ac0c
  www.ac0c.com
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Robert Chudek - K0RC
  Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 1:26 PM
  To: rtty at contesting.com
  Subject: Re: [RTTY] (no subject)

  "Think about it.
  I am doing S/P tuning across his frequency and I see:
  k1xx 599<exch>  <exch>  k1xx"

  When I am in S&P and I come across this exchange, all I know is the
  station transmitting is not K1XX. The exchange is configured for the
  benefit of two stations trying to make a QSO as efficiently as possible.
  It is not configured to give a S&P station some advantage.

  "Who is the calling station?"
  As a S&P station, you will just have to wait and see.

  "Who is the station running the frequency?
  As a S&P station, you will just have to wait and see.

  "So who should I call?"
  As a S&P station, you will just have to wait and see.

  "Are you saying I should just send out my call without knowing who I am
  trying to contact."
  Absolutely NOT! You should never call blind! As a S&P station, you will just
  have to wait and see.

  "How about this:
  k1xx 599<exch>  <exch>  k1xx de w6wrt"
  That's just a waste of the transmitting stations time (and the receiving
  station as well).

  73 de Bob - KØRC in MN


  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

  On 1/16/2012 12:57 PM, Richard Cariello wrote:
  > Bob,
  > That's what makes this a horse race. As the person who is running the
  > frequency the more time he gets his call out the better will be his rate.
  >
  > Think about it.
  > I am doing S/P tuning across his frequency and I see:
  > k1xx 599<exch>  <exch>  k1xx
  >
  > Who is the calling station?
  > Who is the station running the frequency?
  > So who should I call?
  > Are you saying I should just send out my call without knowing who I am
  > trying to contact. I see this allot but that station never gets called
  > because he has already been worked, just adding QRM to the frequency.
  >
  > You come across this type of operation allot during SSB contests. The
  > station will run signing as "QRZ". After a while I simply call the station
  > as "QRZ" but at least the next time I tune across this station I can at
  > least ID his voice.
  >
  > How about this:
  > k1xx 599<exch>  <exch>  k1xx de w6wrt
  >
  > As the station doing S/P this would let me see who is running the
  > frequency and give the station he is working the second chance to know it
  > is his report. Now I will know as the S/P station if I need him or not.
  >
  > Rich AA2MF
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Robert Chudek - K0RC wrote:
  >
  >> He is not signing as the other station. The other station already knows
  >> he is working W6WRT. It's a waste of time sending W6WRT again.
  >>
  >> Bill also knows his call sign, so there's no benefit for him seeing it
  >> again either.
  >>
  >> There is a benefit. That is when the first K1XX gets covered up by "tail
  >> enders" and "long callers". Nobody knows who the report is being sent to
  >> (other than W6WRT). Having the call sign on the end ensures the intended
  >> station knows he is being worked.
  >>
  >> I lost count of the number of times I received "4:XC-ALU4C 599 CA CA BK"
  >> on my screen. Then I simply WAIT until the station resends his report
  >> and I can tell whether he is working me or someone else.
  >>
  >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
  >>
  >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  >>
  >>
  >> On 1/16/2012 8:13 AM, Richard Cariello wrote:
  >>> Bill W6WRT,
  >>> I am just getting back into RTTY myself and greatly enjoying the mode.
  >>>
  >>> I am wondering why you are signing as the other station:
  >>>
  >>> ME:    K1XX 599<EXCH>   <EXCH>   K1XX
  >>>
  >>> I would use:
  >>>
  >>> ME:    k1xx 599<exch>   <exch>   w6wrt (your callsign)
  >>>
  >>> If conditions are bad then double the callsigns as needed to make the
  >>> QSO.
  >>>
  >>> Rich AA2MF
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> On Jan 16, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Duane Budd wrote:
  >>>
  >>>> Bill said:
  >>>>
  >>>> "When I'm running, I want to verify two things from the calling
  >>>> station:
  >>>>
  >>>> 1. He's working me and not another station on the frequency that I
  >>>> can't
  >>>> hear.
  >>>>
  >>>> and
  >>>>
  >>>> 2. That he has my callsign correct.
  >>>>
  >>>> Unless the calling station sends my call at some point, how would I
  >>>> verify
  >>>> the above?
  >>>>
  >>>> Here's how I like it when I'm running:
  >>>>
  >>>> ME:    CQ TEST W6WRT W6WRT CQ
  >>>> HIM:    K1XX K1XX K1XX (or only twice if condx good, never just once)
  >>>> ME:    K1XX 599<EXCH>   <EXCH>   K1XX
  >>>> HIM:    W6WRT 599<EXCH>   <EXCH>   K1XX
  >>>> ME:    K1XX TU W6WRT CQ
  >>>>
  >>>> There is some redundancy in the above, but during a busy contest when
  >>>> often
  >>>> there are several stations on the same frequency, some redundancy is a
  >>>> necessity, IMO. Otherwise you are likely to log the wrong station.
  >>>>
  >>>> 73, Bill W6WRT"
  >>>>
  >>>> And that is exactly the way I do it and for the same reasons.
  >>>>
  >>>> While I am not a pro like AA5AU, I enjoy RTTY contesting and it has
  >>>> become
  >>>> my favorite operating joy...
  >>>>
  >>>> Budd, W5BEN
  >>>> dcbudd at embarqmail.com
  >>>> Johnson City, TN
  >>>>
  >>>>
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   Mike, K4GMH