[RTTY] The Case for QYF (was We Need a New Strategy)

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 5/13/2012 8:28 PM, Robert Chudek - K0RC wrote:
 > Okay, I concede, Guido and his 15# sledgehammer were mostly symbolic.

Not to be a wet blanket but Guido and his 15# sledge hammer would be
in trouble so many ways it's not funny.  Intentional damage to any
federally licensed communications facility is a serious felony - much
worse that a state vandalism or mischief charge.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 5/13/2012 8:28 PM, Robert Chudek - K0RC wrote:
> Okay, I concede, Guido and his 15# sledgehammer were mostly symbolic.
> There are other ways to deal with renegades, whether sociopaths or
> otherwise. My point was that if a jamming station came on near my QTH,
> it wouldn't take long for me to identify where / who's station it was
> originating from. It might be a little more difficult in a densely
> populated area, but out here in the rural areas, it would be a piece of
> cake.
>
> A station running the 160m CW contest from North Dakota with the 60
> dB/S9 signal at my qth in St Paul, MN (years ago) was identified. The
> operator WAS banned from the DXCC program for egregious operating
> issues. He was nowhere near North Dakota.
>
> I like the idea of 'fingerprinting' RTTY signals. I'd even pop for a Mac
> to run the software on!  :-)
>
> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 5/13/2012 6:33 PM, Gary AL9A wrote:
>> Ok, back to Guido.  If the miscreant can be identified Guido wouldn't need
>> to enter his house with the sledge hammer.  A large rotary saw with a metal
>> cutting blade or an acetylene torch at the base of the tower should do the
>> trick.  If the roof of the house happens to get in the way, hey *&%#
>> happens!
>>
>> 73,
>> Gary AL9A
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kok Chen"<chen at mac.com>
>> To: "RTTYReflector"<rtty at contesting.com>
>> Cc: "Bill Turner"<dezrat1242 at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: May 13, 2012 3:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] The Case for QYF (was We Need a New Strategy)
>>
>>
>>> On May 13, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Bill Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>> These jammers - the hardcore ones - basically are sociopaths. Barring
>>>> them from DXCC would have no effect. They get their kicks from disrupting
>>>> everyone else. They are similar to contest cheaters. They don't want to
>>>> win, they want to prevent you from winning. Sick but true.
>>> If that is true, the scheme of the DX coming to your frequency will not
>>> work either.
>>>
>>> A sociopath would just go up the band giving a bogus 599 to every station
>>> that he hears.
>>>
>>> RTTY is especially easy to fake, since it neither involves a "fist" nor a
>>> voice -- just make up a macro that gives an identical exchange as the DX.
>>> The only way to know is to measure the precise baud rate and the duration
>>> the RTTY signal stays on Mark at the start and end of transmission.  And
>>> those parameters can also be easily faked by someone who knows what he is
>>> doing.
>>>
>>> On top of that, a sociopath with a skimmer can easily find where the DX is
>>> answering and go QRM that frequency (even with automated software).
>>>
>>> The sociopaths who I have met are actually quite smart.  Perhaps ham
>>> sociopaths are not as bright; I don't know.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Chen, W7AY
>>>
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