[RTTY] BARTG Sprint 2013

Tue Jan 8 19:34:50 EST 2013

Joe,

You wrote:
> No it's not ... tell me where a G has to change callsigns when moving
> within England, or an F has to change callsigns when moving within
> France, or a DL has to change callsigns when moving within Germany.

You know that a  G station DOES change calls within different areas of the 
UK.
G, F and DL are also just a little bit smaller than the United States.

> *Otherwise* keep your nose out of US
> regulatory matters and stop penalizing US stations.
>Time for BARTG to stop trying to dictate licensing policy to the US
- *period*.

There are no penalties and nobody 'half a world away' trying to change 
anything there. It's entirely your choice whether you enter a contest and 
follow the rules.

Jay WS7I is almost right when he says:
>BARTG pre-dates nearly every other contest and has been running a long long 
>time and they don't need to use another contest's rules nor to modify it 
>for stations who don't wish to abide by their rules.

Thanks Jay. Actually BARTG predates every other RTTY contest! Next longest 
running is Volta which first ran 2 months after the first BARTG HF.

Cheers,

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
To: <rtty at contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: [RTTY] BARTG Sprint 2013

>
>> Likewise, although the FCC is a federal authority, it makes sense
>> that when you move from one call district to another that you get a
>> call sign that corresponds to the call district you now reside in.
>
> 10 call districts for the US is completely arbitrary ... initially
> there were only 9!  Some countries don't even use all the digits
> in their callsigns.
>
>> This is the way it works with call signs everywhere else and its the
>> way a lot of people would like to see it again according to the
>> reaction I got from my original post on the subject.
>
> No it's not ... tell me where a G has to change callsigns when moving
> within England, or an F has to change callsigns when moving within
> France, or a DL has to change callsigns when moving within Germany.
>
>> Likewise, although the FCC is a federal authority, it makes sense
>> that when you move from one call district to another that you get a
>> call sign that corresponds to the call district you now reside in.
>
> It's the United States' FCC that made the decision.  If you want to
> go back to call districts meaning something - also go back to the
> days when we could have multiple callsigns so we can get appropriate
> calls for each call area.  *Otherwise* keep your nose out of US
> regulatory matters and stop penalizing US stations.
>
> I played the game of using /4 when I first moved to Florida.  I
> decided I was not likely to move back to "8 land" and got a call
> with the "proper" numeral but I would not do it again if I ever
> happen to leave 4-land.
>
> It is, after all, the decision of the US regulatory authority - not
> some amateurs half a world away.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 1/7/2013 11:14 PM, Ken Alexander wrote:
>> Geez Bill, where are you getting this from?  I was pretty careful to
>> keep my discussion about moving from one call district to another.
>> Nobody suggested 50 call districts or thousands based on counties, and
>> any discussion of speed limits is irrelevant here.  You've taken this to
>> a ridiculous conclusion that only damages your credibility.
>>
>> My comparison to drivers licenses when moving from state to state was
>> merely to point out that you had to get a new state-issued drivers
>> license if you took up residency in a new state.  Likewise, although the
>> FCC is a federal authority, it makes sense that when you move from one
>> call district to another that you get a call sign that corresponds to
>> the call district you now reside in.  This is the way it works with call
>> signs everywhere else and its the way a lot of people would like to see
>> it again according to the reaction I got from my original post on the
>> subject.
>>
>> Ultimately, nothing is likely to change.  As you say, one call will be
>> issued that's good for anywhere in the U.S..  It's just a shame to see
>> an orderly system (one that works so well everywhere else in the world)
>> trashed in the name of bureaucratic laziness and personal vanity.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Ken Alexander
>> VE3HLS
>>
>>
>> On 2013-01-07 9:31 PM, Bill Turner wrote:
>>> ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
>>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 14:46:57 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> You report any moves to another call district, just like you do with
>>>> your drivers license when you move to a new state, right?
>>> REPLY:
>>> Apples and oranges.
>>>
>>> In the USA, different states have different rules of the road. In wide
>>> open
>>> Montana speed limits may be quite different from a more congested
>>> eastern state.
>>> Having a driver's license and different rules for each state makes 
>>> sense.
>>>
>>> Not so for the FCC. The rules are nationwide and do not vary from one
>>> part of
>>> the country to another.
>>>
>>> So let's take you point. I live in California and have a W6 call
>>> (W6WRT, my
>>> initials). Suppose I move to the 5th call area and I become W5WRT. Now
>>> what
>>> state am I in? Would you like the FCC to issue calls based on the
>>> state? There
>>> could be W01AAA through W50ZZZ  I suppose. California was the 31st
>>> state so I
>>> could be W31WRT.  Would that be better? There are some 3000+ counties
>>> in the
>>> USA. Why not have W2754XXX? Is that better? How about cities? Towns?
>>> Villages?
>>> Wide spots in the road?
>>>
>>> As it is now, the FCC issues one call that is valid anywhere in it's
>>> jurisdiction. Good enough I say.
>>>
>>> Bill, W6WRT
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