[RTTY] BARTG Sprint 2013

Tue Jan 8 21:36:20 EST 2013

Please forgive me if I stick my nose in here but,I'm not quite clear on what the fuss is all about. First time I hear complaints about this Bartg regulation (this was the original trend I think). On top of it , and you'll correct me if I'm wrong, coming from sources that I don't even see participating in Bartg contests or in some cases in almost any rtty contest...I'll meet the ones of you who enjoy rtty contesting in the next Bartg Sprint.
73  

Fabi  va2up
http://sites.google.com/site/va2upcontesting/

> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:23:32 -0500
> From: lists at subich.com
> To: ska at bartg.org.uk; rtty at contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RTTY] BARTG Sprint 2013
> 
> 
> > You know that a G station DOES change calls within different areas
> > of the UK.
> 
> *Not* when moving within England - which is equivalent to moving
> within the continental 48 US states.  Going among Scotland, Wales,
> Guernsey, Northern Ireland, etc. is equivalent to going amongst
> Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, Hawaii Alaska, Guam, etc.
> 
> If you want to insist on the proper designator for territories vs.
> mainland, I'll grant you that although the FCC does not even require
> someone who has received a territorial call to surrender it on
> return to the mainland.
> 
> > G, F and DL are also just a little bit smaller than the United
> > States.
> 
> Yes - in the case of the UK with about 10% of the amateur population
> and a callsign pool (2,G,M, VP-VQ, VS, ZB-ZJ vs. AA-AL,K,N,W) just
> as large.  "*YOU* can afford to allow unilateral changes in prefix
> when moving among territories and the mainland - the US can't afford
> to "waste" 90% of its callsign allocation.
> 
> > There are no penalties and nobody 'half a world away' trying to
> > change anything there. It's entirely your choice whether you enter a
> > contest and follow the rules.
> 
> Sure, you require someone to us a callsign other than the one assigned
> by the regulator or they can't play in your sandbox.  I did so several
> years ago when I first moved from W8 to W4 and it's no fun increasing
> the length of the call by 50% just to satisfy an arbitrary rule that
> does not apply to *anyone* other than US stations.
> 
> 73,
> 
>     ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 1/8/2013 7:34 PM, John GW4SKA wrote:
> > Joe,
> >
> > You wrote:
> >> No it's not ... tell me where a G has to change callsigns when moving
> >> within England, or an F has to change callsigns when moving within
> >> France, or a DL has to change callsigns when moving within Germany.
> >
> > You know that a  G station DOES change calls within different areas of
> > the UK.
> > G, F and DL are also just a little bit smaller than the United States.
> >
> >> *Otherwise* keep your nose out of US
> >> regulatory matters and stop penalizing US stations.
> >> Time for BARTG to stop trying to dictate licensing policy to the US
> > - *period*.
> >
> > There are no penalties and nobody 'half a world away' trying to change
> > anything there. It's entirely your choice whether you enter a contest
> > and follow the rules.
> >
> > Jay WS7I is almost right when he says:
> >> BARTG pre-dates nearly every other contest and has been running a long
> >> long time and they don't need to use another contest's rules nor to
> >> modify it for stations who don't wish to abide by their rules.
> >
> > Thanks Jay. Actually BARTG predates every other RTTY contest! Next
> > longest running is Volta which first ran 2 months after the first BARTG HF.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
> > To: <rtty at contesting.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 4:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [RTTY] BARTG Sprint 2013
> >
> >
> >>
> >>> Likewise, although the FCC is a federal authority, it makes sense
> >>> that when you move from one call district to another that you get a
> >>> call sign that corresponds to the call district you now reside in.
> >>
> >> 10 call districts for the US is completely arbitrary ... initially
> >> there were only 9!  Some countries don't even use all the digits
> >> in their callsigns.
> >>
> >>> This is the way it works with call signs everywhere else and its the
> >>> way a lot of people would like to see it again according to the
> >>> reaction I got from my original post on the subject.
> >>
> >> No it's not ... tell me where a G has to change callsigns when moving
> >> within England, or an F has to change callsigns when moving within
> >> France, or a DL has to change callsigns when moving within Germany.
> >>
> >>> Likewise, although the FCC is a federal authority, it makes sense
> >>> that when you move from one call district to another that you get a
> >>> call sign that corresponds to the call district you now reside in.
> >>
> >> It's the United States' FCC that made the decision.  If you want to
> >> go back to call districts meaning something - also go back to the
> >> days when we could have multiple callsigns so we can get appropriate
> >> calls for each call area.  *Otherwise* keep your nose out of US
> >> regulatory matters and stop penalizing US stations.
> >>
> >> I played the game of using /4 when I first moved to Florida.  I
> >> decided I was not likely to move back to "8 land" and got a call
> >> with the "proper" numeral but I would not do it again if I ever
> >> happen to leave 4-land.
> >>
> >> It is, after all, the decision of the US regulatory authority - not
> >> some amateurs half a world away.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >>    ... Joe, W4TV
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/7/2013 11:14 PM, Ken Alexander wrote:
> >>> Geez Bill, where are you getting this from?  I was pretty careful to
> >>> keep my discussion about moving from one call district to another.
> >>> Nobody suggested 50 call districts or thousands based on counties, and
> >>> any discussion of speed limits is irrelevant here.  You've taken this to
> >>> a ridiculous conclusion that only damages your credibility.
> >>>
> >>> My comparison to drivers licenses when moving from state to state was
> >>> merely to point out that you had to get a new state-issued drivers
> >>> license if you took up residency in a new state.  Likewise, although the
> >>> FCC is a federal authority, it makes sense that when you move from one
> >>> call district to another that you get a call sign that corresponds to
> >>> the call district you now reside in.  This is the way it works with call
> >>> signs everywhere else and its the way a lot of people would like to see
> >>> it again according to the reaction I got from my original post on the
> >>> subject.
> >>>
> >>> Ultimately, nothing is likely to change.  As you say, one call will be
> >>> issued that's good for anywhere in the U.S..  It's just a shame to see
> >>> an orderly system (one that works so well everywhere else in the world)
> >>> trashed in the name of bureaucratic laziness and personal vanity.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Ken Alexander
> >>> VE3HLS
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 2013-01-07 9:31 PM, Bill Turner wrote:
> >>>> ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
> >>>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 14:46:57 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
> >>>> <snip>
> >>>>> You report any moves to another call district, just like you do with
> >>>>> your drivers license when you move to a new state, right?
> >>>> REPLY:
> >>>> Apples and oranges.
> >>>>
> >>>> In the USA, different states have different rules of the road. In wide
> >>>> open
> >>>> Montana speed limits may be quite different from a more congested
> >>>> eastern state.
> >>>> Having a driver's license and different rules for each state makes
> >>>> sense.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not so for the FCC. The rules are nationwide and do not vary from one
> >>>> part of
> >>>> the country to another.
> >>>>
> >>>> So let's take you point. I live in California and have a W6 call
> >>>> (W6WRT, my
> >>>> initials). Suppose I move to the 5th call area and I become W5WRT. Now
> >>>> what
> >>>> state am I in? Would you like the FCC to issue calls based on the
> >>>> state? There
> >>>> could be W01AAA through W50ZZZ  I suppose. California was the 31st
> >>>> state so I
> >>>> could be W31WRT.  Would that be better? There are some 3000+ counties
> >>>> in the
> >>>> USA. Why not have W2754XXX? Is that better? How about cities? Towns?
> >>>> Villages?
> >>>> Wide spots in the road?
> >>>>
> >>>> As it is now, the FCC issues one call that is valid anywhere in it's
> >>>> jurisdiction. Good enough I say.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill, W6WRT
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